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01-03-2008, 12:12 PM | #1 |
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Hehehe, good answer siscuz.
The Old Took was, what, 120 or something; 102 was "ripe but disappointing"; I reckon a factor of 2/3 to 3/4 is in order. IIRC Frodo was 50 when he left the Shire, which would correspond to 30-35+ or so. Which is probably why we've got that clash between our mind's eye and what's on the screen. Anyway, it was the portrayal, rather than the casting that was the problem. |
01-03-2008, 12:21 PM | #2 |
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You forget the ring. I don't think he got older in appearance between the party and the departure...or at least not much.
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In the movie - yes, Frodo is a sissy and a dull sissy throughout. In the book Saruman (a good judge of characters I think) comments: Quote:
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Frodo: As master of Bag End, Frodo felt it his painful duty to say goodbye to the guests. Rumours of strange events had by now spread all over the field, but Frodo would only say no doubt everything will be cleared up in the morning.Fellowship pg 63. Name one fun thing Frodo ever did. Even the "hey diddle diddle" business starts with "Frodo was annoyed." Fellowship pg 215
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And do you think that Pippin wouldn't be compelled to say goodbye to the guests if HE became the Master of Bag-End? One has obligations, after all. |
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01-03-2008, 01:23 PM | #8 | |
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He's always been more the responsible type than the carefree. I suppose he has a few carefree moments, like in Bree but, in general, his personality is pretty set to begin with. As far as Saruman's comments go, he never even met Frodo until the scouring, so how would he know how much Frodo had changed?
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01-03-2008, 01:44 PM | #9 |
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And, as far as that goes, was Frodo actually motivated by malice, as Saruman says? I don't think so.
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01-04-2008, 05:02 PM | #11 |
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That's kind of a stretch!
My point was that Saruman did not know Frodo, who was not a typical hobbit to begin with. I'm not saying that Frodo didn't change a bit, but compared to many other charaters, his change was quite small. Many others "lost their innocence", so to speak. I think Frodo did long before the books when he lost his parents.
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