What's your opinion of Dwarves?

Bregalad · 02-17-2002, 12:36 AM

What do you all think of dwarves in general? Do you like them? Hate them? What are your insights on their behavior and attitudes?

There are certainly Dwarves I admire. Gimli especially. There was bad blood between elves and dwarves, yet Gimli was given the title "Elf Friend"and after meeting the lady Galadriel, he considered himself her champion in all things. These were astonishing acheivements for a dwarf. And I think he deserves our respect for his accomplishments. He was kinder than your average dwarf, and more open-minded. He also had a wider world-view than most dwarves, probably very much influenced by his close companionship to the elf, Legolas.

As for dwarves in general, I don't think much of them. They are greedy. They are for the most part, only concerened with their own little world of mining, and the rest of the world can go hang. They have a miserly attitude towards the things they make, not so much because of the wealth these things represent, but simply to hoard the art itself. They are like artists gone wrong. They are so consumed by their love of metals, gems, and metalworking that it's like they have no room in their hearts for anything else. While they are strong and brave, they don't seem to have any knack for strategy. They remind me very much of the Ferenghi on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine!

Nibs · 02-17-2002, 01:16 AM

Aule made them quick to anger, but also quick to friendship. The ones that slew Thingol over the Nauglamir I don't think much of, but I think they are as intersting as the elves. They weren't portrayed very well, though, considering the dissention in the Hobbit, the animosity of the dwarf-lords to the elves in the Council of Elrond, and the slaying of Thingol.

I think most of the exposure we get of the dwarves (besides Gimli and Bilbo's co-adventurers) detracts from their overall P.R. They were mentioned little, so what we know about them is largely determined by these instances. They aren't as corruptible as humans, yet not as fair of alluring as the elves.

Well, overall, I really like them all equally, just for differing reasons. The dwarves did plenty of good things, they just weren't mentioned as much as the other races.

Varda-Me · 02-17-2002, 02:46 AM

I was never fond of Dwarves either, until I read The Silmarillion. There are many Dwarves in that book who are brave and valiant and fight Morgoth with all they've got - the Naugrim, the Elves called them. After that, I have a certain respect for them. I just wish they weren't so short and stubby.

FrodoFriend · 02-17-2002, 02:58 AM

I like Dwarves. They're stout-heartedness and independence is really admirable. They work hard, they're brave, they're amusing. So what if they don't get along with Elves all the time? It's not like being an Elf-Friend is that important of a privilege or anything. All the races in Middle Earth are equal, and the Elves are no better than the rest of them. In the Silmarillion they're as greedy as the Dwarves, and proud and vain and foolish to boot. I think Dwarves are definitely as good as Elves and Men (if not as cool as Hobbits and Ents!).

Bregalad · 02-17-2002, 03:08 AM

LOL! I agree! No one is as cool as Hobbits and Ents!

afro-elf · 03-08-2002, 07:57 AM

There or only two dwarves I like.

dain and azaghal and the ones who fought with the elves and men in the 2nd age.

there is a tremendous passage in the SIL on page 236

it will change your opinion of dwarves

Elf Girl · 03-23-2002, 04:25 PM

YAAAAAAAAAAAAH! DEATH TO DWARVES!!!

Sorry, dwarves and dwarf-lovers out there, we elves tend to be a little predudiced when it comes to dwarves.

FrodoFriend · 03-23-2002, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
There or only two dwarves I like.

dain and azaghal and the ones who fought with the elves and men in the 2nd age.

there is a tremendous passage in the SIL on page 236

it will change your opinion of dwarves

Yeah, I've read the Sil - but I still like Dwarves! Gimli and Bilbo's 13 Dwarven friends make up for the Sil Dwarves in my mind.

Elf Girl · 03-26-2002, 01:36 PM

I try desparetly to like Dwarves, but my Elvish nature overcomes me.

afro-elf · 03-26-2002, 04:32 PM

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There or only two dwarves I like.

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dain and azaghal and the ones who fought with the elves and men in the 2nd age.

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there is a tremendous passage in the SIL on page 236

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it will change your opinion of dwarves

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Yeah, I've read the Sil - but I still like Dwarves! Gimli and Bilbo's 13 Dwarven friends make up for the Sil Dwarves in my mind.

FF

you misread my post "fought with" means on the same side

If you read the passage in the SIL on page 236 you will see that i was giving the dwarves great praise

UnStashable · 03-31-2002, 03:27 PM

Um afro-elf I wish you would just type out and post the passage because in my version of the Silmarillion p.236 talks about dior wearing the nauglmir and Sons of Feanor attacking him. Which doesn’t really concern dwarves much.

The Dwarves are always presented with a enough flaws so they keep their (for lack of a better word) Humanity. The more I learn about elves, makes them seem at times overdrawn and almost Saracen to the point where they become caricatures and I stop caring about what happens to them. It’s in the same vein as Galadriel, I liked her much better before I read Unfinished Tales. Charecters can sometimes be overshadowed by their own virtues and loses their personality.

afro-elf · 03-31-2002, 05:46 PM

It would take too long for me to type but is in the 5th battle: nirnaeth arnoediad right after the betrayal of the humans, it concerns the dwarves stand against the dragons

FrodoFriend · 03-31-2002, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf

FF

you misread my post "fought with" means on the same side

If you read the passage in the SIL on page 236 you will see that i was giving the dwarves great praise

Praise them with great praise! Heh heh . . .

Oh, sorry. You said there were only two Dwarves you like, so I assumed the passage was the reason you didn't like the others in general.

What about The Hobbit's Dwarves? Don't tell me you don't like them!

afro-elf · 03-31-2002, 09:24 PM

FF

I really need to clarify

of the NAMED dwarves the only dwarves I cared for were Dain and Azaghal.

in the appendix of lotr I like the way they fought in the orc and dwarf war

I the hobbit is more for kids. which really aint my thing

so i really didn't like the dwarves there that much

Fealar_Aring · 03-31-2002, 09:36 PM

Dwarves were probably the hardiest of the races--really, superior to teh others in my mind--but the books show them as having very poor luck in their history.

If you dont have luck, you dont have much.

Edit: oh yeah, I'm new here.

FrodoFriend · 03-31-2002, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
FF

I really need to clarify

of the NAMED dwarves the only dwarves I cared for were Dain and Azaghal.

in the appendix of lotr I like the way they fought in the orc and dwarf war

I the hobbit is more for kids. which really aint my thing

so i really didn't like the dwarves there that much

is right!

Okay, I understand now (I think . . .).

Rána Eressëa · 04-01-2002, 12:11 PM

I like Dwarves. They're mysterious

barrelrider110 · 04-01-2002, 01:18 PM

Dwarves are materialistic and hot-tempered. On the other hand they are honest, trustworthy, hardworking, and loyal, not to mention brave. You could find no more steadfast friend nor faithful ally than a Dwarf. Their virtues far outweigh their vices. I think Dwarves are awesome.

FrodoFriend · 04-02-2002, 12:22 AM

Go Dwarves! Go Dwarves! *does victory dance*

GandalfTheWhite · 04-02-2002, 12:31 AM

personally i think dwarves are good guys to have on your side, there good at what they do and they are hardnosed and dont back down

02-17-2002, 12:36 AM	#1
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	What's your opinion of Dwarves? What do you all think of dwarves in general? Do you like them? Hate them? What are your insights on their behavior and attitudes? There are certainly Dwarves I admire. Gimli especially. There was bad blood between elves and dwarves, yet Gimli was given the title "Elf Friend"and after meeting the lady Galadriel, he considered himself her champion in all things. These were astonishing acheivements for a dwarf. And I think he deserves our respect for his accomplishments. He was kinder than your average dwarf, and more open-minded. He also had a wider world-view than most dwarves, probably very much influenced by his close companionship to the elf, Legolas. As for dwarves in general, I don't think much of them. They are greedy. They are for the most part, only concerened with their own little world of mining, and the rest of the world can go hang. They have a miserly attitude towards the things they make, not so much because of the wealth these things represent, but simply to hoard the art itself. They are like artists gone wrong. They are so consumed by their love of metals, gems, and metalworking that it's like they have no room in their hearts for anything else. While they are strong and brave, they don't seem to have any knack for strategy. They remind me very much of the Ferenghi on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine! __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

02-17-2002, 01:16 AM	#2
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Aule made them quick to anger, but also quick to friendship. The ones that slew Thingol over the Nauglamir I don't think much of, but I think they are as intersting as the elves. They weren't portrayed very well, though, considering the dissention in the Hobbit, the animosity of the dwarf-lords to the elves in the Council of Elrond, and the slaying of Thingol. I think most of the exposure we get of the dwarves (besides Gimli and Bilbo's co-adventurers) detracts from their overall P.R. They were mentioned little, so what we know about them is largely determined by these instances. They aren't as corruptible as humans, yet not as fair of alluring as the elves. Well, overall, I really like them all equally, just for differing reasons. The dwarves did plenty of good things, they just weren't mentioned as much as the other races. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

02-17-2002, 02:58 AM	#4
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I like Dwarves. They're stout-heartedness and independence is really admirable. They work hard, they're brave, they're amusing. So what if they don't get along with Elves all the time? It's not like being an Elf-Friend is that important of a privilege or anything. All the races in Middle Earth are equal, and the Elves are no better than the rest of them. In the Silmarillion they're as greedy as the Dwarves, and proud and vain and foolish to boot. I think Dwarves are definitely as good as Elves and Men (if not as cool as Hobbits and Ents!). __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-17-2002, 03:08 AM	#5
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	LOL! I agree! No one is as cool as Hobbits and Ents! __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

03-08-2002, 07:57 AM	#6
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	There or only two dwarves I like. dain and azaghal and the ones who fought with the elves and men in the 2nd age. there is a tremendous passage in the SIL on page 236 it will change your opinion of dwarves __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

02-17-2002, 02:46 AM	#3
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	I was never fond of Dwarves either, until I read The Silmarillion. There are many Dwarves in that book who are brave and valiant and fight Morgoth with all they've got - the Naugrim, the Elves called them. After that, I have a certain respect for them. I just wish they weren't so short and stubby.

03-23-2002, 04:25 PM	#7
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	YAAAAAAAAAAAAH! DEATH TO DWARVES!!! Sorry, dwarves and dwarf-lovers out there, we elves tend to be a little predudiced when it comes to dwarves. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-26-2002, 01:36 PM	#9
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I try desparetly to like Dwarves, but my Elvish nature overcomes me. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-31-2002, 03:27 PM	#11
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	Dwarves Um afro-elf I wish you would just type out and post the passage because in my version of the Silmarillion p.236 talks about dior wearing the nauglmir and Sons of Feanor attacking him. Which doesn’t really concern dwarves much. The Dwarves are always presented with a enough flaws so they keep their (for lack of a better word) Humanity. The more I learn about elves, makes them seem at times overdrawn and almost Saracen to the point where they become caricatures and I stop caring about what happens to them. It’s in the same vein as Galadriel, I liked her much better before I read Unfinished Tales. Charecters can sometimes be overshadowed by their own virtues and loses their personality. __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

03-31-2002, 05:46 PM	#12
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	It would take too long for me to type but is in the 5th battle: nirnaeth arnoediad right after the betrayal of the humans, it concerns the dwarves stand against the dragons __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-31-2002, 09:24 PM	#14
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	FF I really need to clarify of the NAMED dwarves the only dwarves I cared for were Dain and Azaghal. in the appendix of lotr I like the way they fought in the orc and dwarf war I the hobbit is more for kids. which really aint my thing so i really didn't like the dwarves there that much __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-31-2002, 09:36 PM	#15
Fealar_Aring Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2	Dwarves were probably the hardiest of the races--really, superior to teh others in my mind--but the books show them as having very poor luck in their history. If you dont have luck, you dont have much. Edit: oh yeah, I'm new here. Last edited by Fealar_Aring : 03-31-2002 at 09:37 PM.

04-01-2002, 12:11 PM	#17
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I like Dwarves. They're mysterious

04-01-2002, 01:18 PM	#18
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	Dwarves are materialistic and hot-tempered. On the other hand they are honest, trustworthy, hardworking, and loyal, not to mention brave. You could find no more steadfast friend nor faithful ally than a Dwarf. Their virtues far outweigh their vices. I think Dwarves are awesome. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling Last edited by barrelrider110 : 04-01-2002 at 01:19 PM.

04-02-2002, 12:22 AM	#19
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Go Dwarves! Go Dwarves! does victory dance __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

04-02-2002, 12:31 AM	#20
GandalfTheWhite Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 297	opinion personally i think dwarves are good guys to have on your side, there good at what they do and they are hardnosed and dont back down __________________ "Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council." -Gandalf The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom." -Gandalf "A thing is about to happen which has not happened since the Elder Days: the Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong." -Gandalf

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