Costumes - Page 2

Agburanar · 05-15-2002, 11:20 AM

You've gone for the shadowy approach I see, like in the animated film. When I was thinking of deisgns for this scene I envisaged the Balrog as a creature of fire and so it was formed from flame jets spouting from the bridge of Khazad-Dum. This would allow the actors to interact more and the heat would really cause them to sweat, eliminating the need for dodgy "It's hot" acting.

**hama** · 05-25-2002, 09:00 PM

Azalea, all your ideas are good ones. I haven't really figured it out but then luckily that isn't my problem. I make no claim of being a designer, either sets, costumes or "special effects". However, I think for the scene to have the dramatic tension I am looking for, the confrontation between Gandalf and the Balrog will have to be between two corporeal or at least seemingly corporeal beings. Gandalf must appear to be face to face with the Balrog.

Galenavar · 08-11-2002, 04:29 PM

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...the confrontation between Gandalf and the Balrog will have to be between two corporeal or at least seemingly corporeal beings. Gandalf must appear to be face to face with the Balrog.

What if you combined the non-corporeal with something corpreal? Whether it be person in a costume on a ladder to a big wooden figure, just so that there is something there. It could be defined enough so that the audience knows that there is a Balrog standing there, yet vague enough for the imagination to take over, with some help from smoke, shadows, trick lighting, etc.

Agburanar · 09-24-2002, 10:53 AM

On stilts!!!! He hehehe. I can imagine somebody up stilts coming out of smoke with plastic horns and red lighting...

"You shall not pass!"
"Raarghhh, oh no-oooooooooooooo"

Balrog exits stage down...

hama1 · 10-04-2002, 12:10 AM

Come now agburanur...be nice. Not everyone has either your talent, imagination and/or training. ...including me.

BTW have you read the rest of the script?

Agburanar · 10-04-2002, 09:13 AM

hehehe.... guess who switched the ring when Frodo was staying at Henneth Annun. Now I am the master...

Sorry. I dunno where that came from.

Elrénia · 11-12-2002, 01:28 PM

I know that this doesn't help you with the musical but could you tell me if you know when and where the musical would be taking place. Me and my friends would love to see it.

hama1 · 11-16-2002, 01:44 AM

Actually knowing that people want to see it DOES help me with the musical. Certainly it helps my motivztion in doing more to get it produced. No news on that front but I will keep you "posted."

Shadowfax · 12-08-2002, 06:38 PM

If you want a site that has done really EXTENSIVE research on the LotR movie costumes (they have done soooo much research-WOW!!), then go to http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ . They pay so much attention to details, have TONS of pictures and sketches, and can help you with patterns, etc. They also have makeup sections (including how to make ears), where to find wigs, making shoes, and so much more including a message board on yahoo where you can ask questions.

**This may sound like advertising but I can assure you that I am in no way affiliated with this site, I'm just sharing it so others can use their resources.

hama1 · 12-09-2002, 01:46 AM

Shadowfax,

Thanks...I and I am sure others will check it out.

Brad

hama1 · 12-09-2002, 01:50 AM

shadowfax,

Can you check that url? I couldn't connect to it.

Thanks

Shadowfax · 12-09-2002, 08:36 PM

The URL works fine for me; maybe their server was down or something. Here it is again though: http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ Hope it works for you!

Beleg Strongbow · 12-10-2002, 09:09 AM

worked for me. Wow, and I thought we were obsessed...

Shadowfax · 12-11-2002, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
and I thought we were obsessed...

No kidding. Totally agree with you there! They have researched every pattern, fabric type, embroidery, beads on dresses, etc, even down to where the seams are put! Yeah. Really helpful in making your own stuff. And you have to check out their section on making elf ears. From what I've heard & seen, they turn out excellent using their method.
Hama1, has it worked for you yet?

Agburanar · 12-12-2002, 05:07 AM

Okay, materials and methods, fine. But please don't let anyone producing this musical turn it into a stage version of the film, that would be truly even more dreadful than the film itself!

hama1 · 12-13-2002, 01:40 AM

LOL Agburanur...Little risk of this being a musical version of the film. My script was finished or at least in its 6th or 7th draft before I even knew there was going to be a movie. Shadowfax...yes, the link worked and I was fascinated by the site. But hey I just write these things. It is up to other people to bring them to life on stage.

Hama

Beleg Strongbow · 12-13-2002, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadowfax
And you have to check out their section on making elf ears. From what I've heard & seen, they turn out excellent using their method.

I saw... But using band-aids?

Varda Oiolosseo · 12-14-2002, 04:53 PM

I guess the costumes would be similar to those used in the film!
But yeah to make them taller they would have to use stilts or something!! The Hobbits would have to crawl around on their knees too!
And have those Pantomime horses!! lol!

hama1 · 12-15-2002, 02:45 AM

Actually Varda this has all been discussed earlier but for your benefit...the actors protraying elves and humans will all be 6 ft or taller for males and 5'10" for females. The hobbits and gimli will be portrayed by actors 5'2" or shorter. Also with a raked or sloped stage, given the proper postitioning or staging of the actors will enhance the impression of height differential in the minds of the audience. As for pantomime horses, as I am sure you aware from reading the scrip, that I have adapted the scenes with horses to eliminate them from being on stage.

Varda Oiolosseo · 12-15-2002, 05:47 PM

I'm sorry!!

05-15-2002, 11:20 AM	#21
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	You've gone for the shadowy approach I see, like in the animated film. When I was thinking of deisgns for this scene I envisaged the Balrog as a creature of fire and so it was formed from flame jets spouting from the bridge of Khazad-Dum. This would allow the actors to interact more and the heat would really cause them to sweat, eliminating the need for dodgy "It's hot" acting. __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

05-25-2002, 09:00 PM	#22
hama Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 181	Azalea, all your ideas are good ones. I haven't really figured it out but then luckily that isn't my problem. I make no claim of being a designer, either sets, costumes or "special effects". However, I think for the scene to have the dramatic tension I am looking for, the confrontation between Gandalf and the Balrog will have to be between two corporeal or at least seemingly corporeal beings. Gandalf must appear to be face to face with the Balrog. __________________ The guard stepped back and looked with amazement on Aragorn. `It seems that you are come on the wings of song out of the forgotten days,' he said. `It shall be, lord, as you command.'

09-24-2002, 10:53 AM	#24
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	On stilts!!!! He hehehe. I can imagine somebody up stilts coming out of smoke with plastic horns and red lighting... "You shall not pass!" "Raarghhh, oh no-oooooooooooooo" Balrog exits stage down... __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

10-04-2002, 09:13 AM	#26
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	hehehe.... guess who switched the ring when Frodo was staying at Henneth Annun. Now I am the master... Sorry. I dunno where that came from. __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

11-12-2002, 01:28 PM	#27
Elrénia Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Durham Posts: 5	I know that this doesn't help you with the musical but could you tell me if you know when and where the musical would be taking place. Me and my friends would love to see it. __________________ Elrénia

10-04-2002, 12:10 AM	#25
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Come now agburanur...be nice. Not everyone has either your talent, imagination and/or training. ...including me. BTW have you read the rest of the script?

11-16-2002, 01:44 AM	#28
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Actually knowing that people want to see it DOES help me with the musical. Certainly it helps my motivztion in doing more to get it produced. No news on that front but I will keep you "posted."

12-08-2002, 06:38 PM	#29
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Costumes If you want a site that has done really EXTENSIVE research on the LotR movie costumes (they have done soooo much research-WOW!!), then go to http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ . They pay so much attention to details, have TONS of pictures and sketches, and can help you with patterns, etc. They also have makeup sections (including how to make ears), where to find wigs, making shoes, and so much more including a message board on yahoo where you can ask questions. **This may sound like advertising but I can assure you that I am in no way affiliated with this site, I'm just sharing it so others can use their resources. __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

12-09-2002, 01:46 AM	#30
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Shadowfax, Thanks...I and I am sure others will check it out. Brad

12-09-2002, 01:50 AM	#31
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	shadowfax, Can you check that url? I couldn't connect to it. Thanks

12-09-2002, 08:36 PM	#32
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	URL The URL works fine for me; maybe their server was down or something. Here it is again though: http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/ Hope it works for you! __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

12-10-2002, 09:09 AM	#33
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	worked for me. Wow, and I thought we were obsessed... __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

12-12-2002, 05:07 AM	#35
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Okay, materials and methods, fine. But please don't let anyone producing this musical turn it into a stage version of the film, that would be truly even more dreadful than the film itself! __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

12-13-2002, 01:40 AM	#36
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	LOL Agburanur...Little risk of this being a musical version of the film. My script was finished or at least in its 6th or 7th draft before I even knew there was going to be a movie. Shadowfax...yes, the link worked and I was fascinated by the site. But hey I just write these things. It is up to other people to bring them to life on stage. Hama

12-14-2002, 04:53 PM	#38
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	I guess the costumes would be similar to those used in the film! But yeah to make them taller they would have to use stilts or something!! The Hobbits would have to crawl around on their knees too! And have those Pantomime horses!! lol!

12-15-2002, 02:45 AM	#39
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Actually Varda this has all been discussed earlier but for your benefit...the actors protraying elves and humans will all be 6 ft or taller for males and 5'10" for females. The hobbits and gimli will be portrayed by actors 5'2" or shorter. Also with a raked or sloped stage, given the proper postitioning or staging of the actors will enhance the impression of height differential in the minds of the audience. As for pantomime horses, as I am sure you aware from reading the scrip, that I have adapted the scenes with horses to eliminate them from being on stage.

12-15-2002, 05:47 PM	#40
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	I'm sorry!!

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