Things We Love To Hate About The LotR Trilogy

[Manveru]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

And at the dreadful Osgiliath scene, another one I love to hate, the Nazgul is about 2m away from Frodo, looking straight at him, and he does not go after the Ring. Now, I know Nazgul don't have the best vision in the daytime, but they can sense the Ring. So how could the Nazgul mysteriously not sense the Ring when it was right in front of its face?

um he did sense the Ring and was about to take it when Sam knocked Frodo over and Faramir shot the Nazgul's steed

[Minielin]

Originally Posted by Manveru

um he did sense the Ring and was about to take it when Sam knocked Frodo over and Faramir shot the Nazgul's steed

Even so, it took a really long time. Even if was he just trying to coax Frodo into giving it (given the fact that Frodo was holding it out towards the end) why would he bother to do that? Why not just take it? Meh...

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Minielin

Even so, it took a really long time. Even if was he just trying to coax Frodo into giving it (given the fact that Frodo was holding it out towards the end) why would he bother to do that? Why not just take it? Meh...

i think PJ did it in dramatic slow motion
spoonfeeding us again

thats another thing, the continuous flashbacks
gollum to seagol: murderer, you did it before [cue flashback, smeagol killing deagol]
gandalf to pippin: you met him before, he stabbed frodo on weathertop [cue flashback, witch king stabbing frodo]

grrrr we are not all morons, thank ee very much PJ

[Manveru]

i liked the flashbacks

anyway the witch-king talks to frodo at weathertop before trying to take the Ring so why cant this Nazgul?

[Minielin]

Originally Posted by Manveru

anyway the witch-king talks to frodo at weathertop before trying to take the Ring so why cant this Nazgul?

Again I say... why bother?

[Manveru]

well then you've got a problem with tolkien himself

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Maniacal laughter is its own reward.

And what's up with all the elves being japanese samuria with weird weapons? That's just stupid. Elves are not even remotely japanese, and the idea that a katana is somehow a better weapon than a folded-steel Toledo longsword is a myth.

And while we're talking about the elves, let's talk about the orcs. The makeup looked good, but the costumes and props were ridiculous. I'm really beginning to hate the 'medieval fantasy' look given to arms and equipment.

First of all, samari swords were the finist and most dangerus swords in history!
And secant: those are just sabers (all samari swords are sabers but not the other way around)
And third: why not?

[me9996]

What I don't like is that they give the orcs no sematars and the uruk-hai no strait swords.

Another thing is that they put in arwin alot more than in the book (Like resquing frodo when he did it in the book )

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally Posted by me9996

What I don't like is that they give the orcs no sematars and the uruk-hai no strait swords.

Another thing is that they put in arwin alot more than in the book (Like resquing frodo when he did it in the book )

the orcs of moria and mordor did have scimitars
and the uruk-hai did have straigt-bladed swords

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Yes. Quite.

The problem I have is with people who jump back and forth at random intervals in a lame attempt to distract from the very real flaws in the LOTR films.

The conversation almost always goes like this (Names Changed to Protect Identities):




Fan A You know... I saw those LOTR films. I thought they were badly made.
Fan BB What? No they weren't! You're just saying that because they were different from the books. If you consider them on their own, they're actually better!
Fan A Uh... No. I mean they're actually badly made films. Whether or not they were different from the books, the pacing was bad, the dialogue was stilted, the characters were stupid, and I couldn't follow the plot half the time.
Fan BB Oh, oh. In order to really understand the plot and the characters you have to have read the books. They had to leave some things out because books and movies are different.
Fan A ...
Fan A What?
Fan BB Yes. A movie can't fit in as much stuff as a book, so they were forced to leave stuff out.
Fan A So they had to cut some parts.
Fan BB Yes.
Fan A And they picked the parts that would have made sense of the story?
Fan BB Yes.
Fan A And now you're telling me in order to make sense of this lame film trilogy I've got to go read the books it was based on?
Fan BB Yes.
Fan A Didn't you say you wanted people to consider the films on their own, and not compare them to the books?
Fan BB Yes.
Fan A Oh, fine. I'll go read the stupid books.

(Time passes)

Fan BB So, how's it going?
Fan A Man, this Tolkien guy is the best writer I've read in a long time! This story is incredible!
Fan BB See! And you know what's going on in the movies now, don't you...
Fan A What? Oh, yeah... I guess.
Fan BB I told you! And now that you've read the books you realize how great those films were, right?
Fan A Well... No.
Fan A To be honest, I can't understand why the filmmakers didn't stick to the books more. This stuff is really great, and the changes that were made in the films make them worse than they could have been!
Fan BB No, no! Books and Films are different! They had to cut some things because of time!
Fan A Even though they added hours and hours of superfluous fluff that had nothing to do with the events of the book and contributed nothing to the plot of the films, thus degrading the entire story?
Fan BB Yes.
Fan BB Dude, you've got to stop thinking of them in relation to the books, and just look at them as films.
Fan A Okay. The pacing was bad, the dialogue was lame sometimes, the characters were stupid, and the plot didn't make sense.
Fan BB No! All of that stuff makes sense if you've read the books!
Fan A But I /have/ read the books, and you wanted me to look at the films without considering them. I'm just pointing out...
Fan BB You've got to read the books to understand what's going on!
Fan A But when I do compare the books to the movies it only highlights the stupid mistakes that the filmmakers made, like having fa...
Fan BB STOP COMPARING THE BOOKS AND THE MOVIES!
Fan A But if I /don't/ compare them, than the films don't make any sense!
Fan BB THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE BOOKS TO UNDERSTAND THEM!
Fan A But when I look at the movies as compared to the books it only makes...
Fan BB YOU'RE COMPARING THEM AGAIN! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!
Fan A But how am I supposed to make sense... you know what, forget it. *leaves*

(A short time later)

Fan A Man, those movies are are lame. I like them less every time I watch them. These books are great, though. I wonder where I can find more on this Tolkien guy? Hmm... what's this? The Tolkien Tral... Hmm... Entmoot...

This desives to be shown again, I like it!

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

the orcs of moria and mordor did have scimitars
and the uruk-hai did have straigt-bladed swords

Scimitars aren't strait and the uruk-hai have bent swords (See the end of it?)


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[Last Child of Ungoliant]

the orcs in moria had curved blade, not straight fold-weld swords - these we classify as scimitars

and the uruk-hai do not have curved swords, they are straight-bladed, with a perpendicular projection

[Minielin]

Hmm. The parallels I seem to be finding between myself and Fan A in Wayfarer's little script are almost eerie.

[tolkienfan]

I'm more like Fan BB

[Lotesse]

I hate the part in TTT where that Dunlending guy with horrible teeth slices his palm to swear alliegance to Saruman -
"We will fight... " *gross-looking teeth, gross-looking teeth* "for Saruman!"

Also, I hate the stupid over-used cliche of the-bad-guy-always-has-bad-teeth that PJ relentlessly used. If Sauron were embodied, Sauron - evillest of all, right? - I think he'd probably have dazzlingly perfect teeth. What's with the f-ng teeth?!

[CrazySquirrel]

Yep, Lotesse!
Mouth of Sauron's teeth were especially incongruous. I believe the guy who is the main spokesman for the Dark Lord should care for his mouth!

[katya]

"Let's hunt some orc!"

I haven't seen the movies in a while so I don't remember anything else.

[Lotesse]

Yeah, "Let's hunt some orc" WAS pretty cheesy.

[katya]

Cheesy, and so un-Aragorn.

[Lotesse]

I bought the FotR extended edition DVDs yesterday, and I couldn't be happier! Of the three Peter Jackson movies I count the first as the best. There's the least frequency of annoying bits in FotR, and of all of the films, it feels the best to watch. EspESCially this Extended edition! happyhappyhappy