Did Rowling Forget it's Against the Rules?

Fimbrethil · 05-05-2003, 08:29 PM

Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?

LadyGreenleaf22 · 05-05-2003, 08:49 PM

I read something like this... IN the movie the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione also fixes Harry's classes. I think the no magic rule has something to do mainly with doing magic in front of Muggles. LIke when Harry did magic at the Dursley's he got the notice from Hogwarts, but in Diagon Alley, there are all (more or less) wizards.

gimli7410 · 05-06-2003, 12:42 AM

yea but the quidditch cup thing was in such extreme circumstances and plus they are pretty lenient i think on minor spells

sun-star · 05-06-2003, 05:08 AM

There doesn't seem much point in restricting children from doing magic when they're surrounded by witches and wizards, rather than Muggles who might panic

Also, it depends how the Ministry detects magical activity. If all they know is that "a spell has been performed at this address" (like the letter Harry got in the Chamber of Secrets when Dobby was the one who had done magic) they can't tell if it was an underage or qualified wizard.

Elf Girl · 05-06-2003, 06:50 AM

Yeah, at the Quidditch cup, there were, (a) no Muggles present, and (b) Dark wizards running everywhere. It was permitted because it was necessary. I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

Arcala · 05-06-2003, 05:17 PM

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I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

Wow, Elf Girl, someone who thinks the same way I do!

durin's bane · 05-06-2003, 06:30 PM

It's only doing magic in front of Muggles and when you do huge spells. For example, you'd get a notice if you used Wingardium Leviosa if you used it in front of a Muggle.

Elf Girl · 05-06-2003, 07:37 PM

But Wingardium Leviosa is a really minor spell... They were learning it in first year!

durin's bane · 05-07-2003, 07:02 PM

Yes, but you'd think a Muggle would notice something floating in the air.

Elf Girl · 05-08-2003, 03:13 PM

Good point...

Fimbrethil · 05-08-2003, 08:08 PM

Ah! If I only had a brain...I could think of things like that.

Eowyn, Lady of Rohan · 05-17-2003, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by LadyGreenleaf22
I read something like this... IN the movie the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione also fixes Harry's classes. I think the no magic rule has something to do mainly with doing magic in front of Muggles. LIke when Harry did magic at the Dursley's he got the notice from Hogwarts, but in Diagon Alley, there are all (more or less) wizards.

Do you mean 'glasses'?

Estel13 · 05-17-2003, 07:06 PM

1. The Ministry of Magic, and particularly the Department of Magical Law Enforcement DO NOT overlook minor spells.
2. Find a copy of the Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery, and read it.
3. Regardless of whether there are Muggles around or not, they aren't permitted to use magic outside of Hogwarts. Except in emergencies.

Elvengirl · 05-21-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
Yeah, at the Quidditch cup, there were, (a) no Muggles present, and (b) Dark wizards running everywhere. It was permitted because it was necessary. I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

no the school year hasnt started yet because in the second book after they steal the car and fly it to hogworts after they get there professer McGonagall gives them detention and then harry says "when we took the car term hadnt started so we shouldnt loose any points for Gryffindor" so there for the term hadnt started yet but i think there allowd to do magic on the train or at least not infront of muggles.

The Ben · 06-04-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?

against the rules to what?

LutraMage · 06-06-2003, 04:51 PM

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against the rules to what?

I believe that would be the Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery - See estel13's comments above.

Fimbrethil · 06-10-2003, 02:51 PM

Well I think these are all very valid pionts and I geuss we'll never know. Unless someone was to drag JKR here and force her to post...not that I've tried or anything...

Lady of Rohan · 06-16-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started.

Yah but, wasn't it against the rules to use magic in the halls?

I am pretty sure it was, but I am not positive.

Elf Girl · 06-17-2003, 10:03 PM

Yes, but it was only punishable by a few points taken from the offender's House, not expulusion or something drastic like that.

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no the school year hasnt started yet because in the second book after they steal the car and fly it to hogworts after they get there professer McGonagall gives them detention and then harry says "when we took the car term hadnt started so we shouldnt loose any points for Gryffindor" so there for the term hadnt started yet but i think there allowd to do magic on the train or at least not infront of muggles.

But they didn't get on the train. Since they were viewable by Muggles, the term had not started for them, I think. (Please keep in mind these are hypothesises. (Hypothesese?) Just my opinion.)

wahine · 06-19-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse?

They can use magic on the train, I believe.

05-05-2003, 08:29 PM	#1
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Did Rowling Forget it's Against the Rules? Okay, the second book is the first place it mentions this(I think) and it says that no student is allowed to do magic outside of school well I forgot which book this is in but on the Hogwarts Express Hermione fixes a window using magic. Now that could be over looked and all since they were on the train and I geuss if got technical terms would have already started but I have more! In the forth book at the Quditch(sp?) World Cup they all (except Harry cause he's lost his wand) use the lumos spell and no matter how you look at it it's still against the rules. So did Rowling just slip or was this done porpuse? __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

05-05-2003, 08:49 PM	#2
LadyGreenleaf22 Hobbit Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 35	I read something like this... IN the movie the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione also fixes Harry's classes. I think the no magic rule has something to do mainly with doing magic in front of Muggles. LIke when Harry did magic at the Dursley's he got the notice from Hogwarts, but in Diagon Alley, there are all (more or less) wizards. __________________ ~LadyGreenleaf "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused"

05-06-2003, 12:42 AM	#3
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05-06-2003, 05:08 AM	#4
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	There doesn't seem much point in restricting children from doing magic when they're surrounded by witches and wizards, rather than Muggles who might panic Also, it depends how the Ministry detects magical activity. If all they know is that "a spell has been performed at this address" (like the letter Harry got in the Chamber of Secrets when Dobby was the one who had done magic) they can't tell if it was an underage or qualified wizard. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

05-06-2003, 06:50 AM	#5
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Yeah, at the Quidditch cup, there were, (a) no Muggles present, and (b) Dark wizards running everywhere. It was permitted because it was necessary. I thing once they are on the train the school year has officially started. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-06-2003, 06:30 PM	#7
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	It's only doing magic in front of Muggles and when you do huge spells. For example, you'd get a notice if you used Wingardium Leviosa if you used it in front of a Muggle. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

05-06-2003, 07:37 PM	#8
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	But Wingardium Leviosa is a really minor spell... They were learning it in first year! __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-07-2003, 07:02 PM	#9
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Yes, but you'd think a Muggle would notice something floating in the air. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

05-08-2003, 03:13 PM	#10
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Good point... __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-08-2003, 08:08 PM	#11
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Ah! If I only had a brain...I could think of things like that. __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

05-17-2003, 07:06 PM	#13
Estel13 RPG-aholic Psycho Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Final Fantasy Posts: 733	1. The Ministry of Magic, and particularly the Department of Magical Law Enforcement DO NOT overlook minor spells. 2. Find a copy of the Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery, and read it. 3. Regardless of whether there are Muggles around or not, they aren't permitted to use magic outside of Hogwarts. Except in emergencies. __________________

06-10-2003, 02:51 PM	#17
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Well I think these are all very valid pionts and I geuss we'll never know. Unless someone was to drag JKR here and force her to post...not that I've tried or anything... __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

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