What were the 'Mallorn'?

Twista · 02-01-2004, 07:05 PM

I least i think thats what there called if i remember. My mate was talking about them but he didnt what he was talking about.

Lizra · 02-01-2004, 07:31 PM

The beautiful golden trees of Lothlorien, where the elves built their flets. Galadriel gave Sam a Mallorn seed in the box with the soil. He planted it to replace the destroyed "party tree" and it became the only Mallorn to grow outside of Lothlorien.

DÃºnedain · 02-02-2004, 01:17 AM

Weren't they in Numenor as well? I believe they were...

cassiopeia · 02-02-2004, 01:27 AM

My guide to Middle-earth says that there were mallorn trees in Aman as well, but nothing about them in Numenor.

Lizra · 02-02-2004, 08:23 AM

That could be....I'm just a story reader!

Arien the Maia · 02-02-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
My guide to Middle-earth says that there were mallorn trees in Aman as well, but nothing about them in Numenor.

I think originally they were from Aman and the Elves brought them to Numenor when it was first created and the Numenorians in turn brought them to Middle Earth but the only place where they would grow was in Lothlorien I think.

Elf Girl · 02-02-2004, 04:20 PM

But Haldir said no one had mentioned mellyrn across the Sea. He might've just been misinformed, but I suspect he'd know.

Thorin II · 02-02-2004, 04:26 PM

I don't recall reading anything about Mallorn growing in Numenor.

DÃºnedain · 02-02-2004, 05:04 PM

I'm 99% positive that I've read they were in Numenor as well

Kirinki54 · 02-02-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by DÃºnedain
I'm 99% positive that I've read they were in Numenor as well

They are described in UT: A Description of NÃºmenore. They were brought by Elves from the West. Some nuts were given by the sixth king Tar-Aldarion to Gil-galad of Lindon, but they did not take root there. But he gave some to Galadriel, and they thrived in Lothlorien. And at long last, one came to grow in the Shire...

DÃºnedain · 02-02-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Kirinki54
They are described in UT: A Description of NÃºmenore. They were brought by Elves from the West. Some nuts were given by the sixth king Tar-Aldarion to Gil-galad of Lindon, but they did not take root there. But he gave some to Galadriel, and they thrived in Lothlorien. And at long last, one came to grow in the Shire...

Thanks for the confirmation

P.S. I rule

***Valandil*** · 02-02-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by DÃºnedain

P.S. I rule

In Numenore... as your title declares. Sure hope you can breathe water!

Spock · 02-02-2004, 07:49 PM

Well for starters you may want to check out the original name for the tree; the correct Elvish plural is mellyrn.

NÃ*simaldar :
The country around the haven of EldalondÃ« on NÃºmenor's western coasts. The name means 'fragrant trees', and it was so called because of the great variety of rare and beautiful trees that grew there. It was the only place in NÃºmenor where mallorn trees grew, and it was from the stock of these that the Golden Wood of LÃ³rien came.

Lefty Scaevola · 02-02-2004, 09:56 PM

IIRC, somewhere in the HoME is a metion of Mallorns growing in or around Gondolin.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 02-07-2004, 11:34 PM

I don't know where in HoMe it says that, but it is certainly stated in Unfinished Tales that the mellyrn could be found in Gondolin. It's in one of J. R. R. Tolkien's texts that maps out the continuation of Tuor's story.

Thorin II · 02-09-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Valandil
In Numenore... as your title declares. Sure hope you can breathe water!

Nice.

***RÃan*** · 02-09-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Valandil
In Numenore... as your title declares. Sure hope you can breathe water!

LOL!

ethuiliel · 02-11-2004, 06:34 PM

I can definetly imagine Mallorn in Aman and Numenor. Haldir did say he didn't know of any, but as someone said, he might have been misinformed.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 02-11-2004, 10:50 PM

But he does not have to be misinformed in order to not know anything about mellyrn across the Sea. Judging from his speech with Merry (I think it was Merry), Haldir was not on regular speaking terms with anyone who had seen the Sea--he therefore was not on regular speaking terms with Galadriel, who could have told him all about it (she having dwelt off and on in the seaside city of AlqualondÃ«). Galadriel, also, would have been able to tell him about the mallorn trees of Aman, but as I have said, she apparently did not speak frequently with Haldir.

In other words, Haldir simple didn't hear about mallorn trees in Aman. He wasn't mistaken on this point, in fact what he told the Fellowship was very true--no one could tell him about Aman mellyrn.

There were other Ã‘oldor in Lothlorien, from the fallen land of Eregion, but I do not know how old those Ã‘oldor were who came to the land of LÃ³rien. In any case Haldir did not know anyone personally who could tell a great deal about the Sea, and so was not on speaking terms with anyone who could tell him a great deal about anything across the Sea.

Spock · 02-12-2004, 07:31 AM

..probably got it from the guy who ran the coffee truck....

02-01-2004, 07:05 PM	#1
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02-01-2004, 07:31 PM	#2
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Pretty! The beautiful golden trees of Lothlorien, where the elves built their flets. Galadriel gave Sam a Mallorn seed in the box with the soil. He planted it to replace the destroyed "party tree" and it became the only Mallorn to grow outside of Lothlorien. __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

02-02-2004, 01:17 AM	#3
DÃºnedain High King of NÃºmenÃ³rÃ« Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NÃºmenÃ³rÃ« <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Weren't they in Numenor as well? I believe they were... __________________ 'Et EÃ¤rello Endorenna utÃºlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

02-02-2004, 01:27 AM	#4
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	My guide to Middle-earth says that there were mallorn trees in Aman as well, but nothing about them in Numenor. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

02-02-2004, 08:23 AM	#5
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	That could be....I'm just a story reader! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

02-02-2004, 04:20 PM	#7
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	But Haldir said no one had mentioned mellyrn across the Sea. He might've just been misinformed, but I suspect he'd know. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

02-02-2004, 04:26 PM	#8
Thorin II Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 161	I don't recall reading anything about Mallorn growing in Numenor. __________________ "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

02-02-2004, 05:04 PM	#9
DÃºnedain High King of NÃºmenÃ³rÃ« Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NÃºmenÃ³rÃ« <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	I'm 99% positive that I've read they were in Numenor as well __________________ 'Et EÃ¤rello Endorenna utÃºlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

02-02-2004, 07:49 PM	#13
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Well for starters you may want to check out the original name for the tree; the correct Elvish plural is mellyrn. NÃsimaldar : The country around the haven of EldalondÃ« on NÃºmenor's western coasts. The name means 'fragrant trees', and it was so called because of the great variety of rare and beautiful trees that grew there. It was the only place in NÃºmenor where mallorn trees grew, and it was from the stock of these that the Golden Wood of LÃ³rien came. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 02-02-2004 at 07:58 PM.*

02-02-2004, 09:56 PM	#14
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	IIRC, somewhere in the HoME is a metion of Mallorns growing in or around Gondolin.

02-07-2004, 11:34 PM	#15
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I don't know where in HoMe it says that, but it is certainly stated in Unfinished Tales that the mellyrn could be found in Gondolin. It's in one of J. R. R. Tolkien's texts that maps out the continuation of Tuor's story. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-11-2004, 06:34 PM	#18
ethuiliel Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA until I find a way to get to Middle Earth Posts: 681	I can definetly imagine Mallorn in Aman and Numenor. Haldir did say he didn't know of any, but as someone said, he might have been misinformed. __________________ "...but I love not the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor." "'I would,' said Faramir. And he took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls in the sight of many. And many indeed saw them and the light that shone about them as they came down from the walls and went hand in hand to the Houses of Healing."

02-11-2004, 10:50 PM	#19
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	But he does not have to be misinformed in order to not know anything about mellyrn across the Sea. Judging from his speech with Merry (I think it was Merry), Haldir was not on regular speaking terms with anyone who had seen the Sea--he therefore was not on regular speaking terms with Galadriel, who could have told him all about it (she having dwelt off and on in the seaside city of AlqualondÃ«). Galadriel, also, would have been able to tell him about the mallorn trees of Aman, but as I have said, she apparently did not speak frequently with Haldir. In other words, Haldir simple didn't hear about mallorn trees in Aman. He wasn't mistaken on this point, in fact what he told the Fellowship was very true--no one could tell him about Aman mellyrn. There were other Ã‘oldor in Lothlorien, from the fallen land of Eregion, but I do not know how old those Ã‘oldor were who came to the land of LÃ³rien. In any case Haldir did not know anyone personally who could tell a great deal about the Sea, and so was not on speaking terms with anyone who could tell him a great deal about anything across the Sea. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-12-2004, 07:31 AM	#20
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	..probably got it from the guy who ran the coffee truck.... __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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