The LAST meeting of the White Council

***Valandil*** · 01-19-2013, 04:59 PM

Appendix B of LOTR shows 2953 as the last meeting of the White Council.

However - I think they met one more time. At least the major players. Although it was not a regularly scheduled, pre-announced meeting.

In late August of 3019, Gandalf, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond - and other prominent Elves of Elrond's household - met Saruman while traveling with the Hobbits back to all their own homes.

I only just realized that with this meeting happening in north Dunland, which is just south of Eregion - where the Elven Rings were made, all those long years before.

GrayMouser · 01-21-2013, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Valandil

Appendix B of LOTR shows 2953 as the last meeting of the White Council.

However - I think they met one more time. At least the major players. Although it was not a regularly scheduled, pre-announced meeting.

In late August of 3019, Gandalf, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond - and other prominent Elves of Elrond's household - met Saruman while traveling with the Hobbits back to all their own homes.

I only just realized that with this meeting happening in north Dunland, which is just south of Eregion - where the Elven Rings were made, all those long years before.

Hmmm- would that be official, though? I thought the White Council was set up for the specific purpose of dealing with the Necromancer/Sauron.

Unless it was a wrap-up- "if there are no 'nay' votes, I officially declare this committee dissolved."

Niffiwan · 01-22-2013, 12:53 AM

How many members have to be present for it to officially count as a "meeting"? Cirdan and Radagast were not present in the one you describe. Although actually, I'm not sure WHAT happens to Radagast. He isn't really mentioned at all after he delivers Saruman's message to Gandalf.

Lefty Scaevola · 01-22-2013, 06:18 PM

I suspect he was eaten by a pet bear.

***Varnafindë*** · 01-22-2013, 10:31 PM

I would say it was a meeting of the members of the Council, but not a meeting of the Council - because, as you say, it was not a regularly scheduled, pre-announced meeting.

But it would be the last time so many of the Council members met each other.

***Valandil*** · 01-23-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Niffiwan

How many members have to be present for it to officially count as a "meeting"? Cirdan and Radagast were not present in the one you describe. Although actually, I'm not sure WHAT happens to Radagast. He isn't really mentioned at all after he delivers Saruman's message to Gandalf.

Yes - I think we've had a thread or two on that. I forget what some of the views were. I suspect Saruman done him in.

***Alcuin*** · 03-13-2013, 02:52 PM

The Council dealt with its last order of business: what to do with Saruman? Out of pride, he rejected their proposal of clemency, repentance, and forgiveness, then stormed out, turning his back on them and what was a most reasonable, gracious proposition. He died 66 days later, and was refused re-admission to Valinor.

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*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	The LAST meeting of the White Council Appendix B of LOTR shows 2953 as the last meeting of the White Council. However - I think they met one more time. At least the major players. Although it was not a regularly scheduled, pre-announced meeting. In late August of 3019, Gandalf, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond - and other prominent Elves of Elrond's household - met Saruman while traveling with the Hobbits back to all their own homes. I only just realized that with this meeting happening in north Dunland, which is just south of Eregion - where the Elven Rings were made, all those long years before. __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

01-22-2013, 12:53 AM	#3
Niffiwan Sapling Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10	How many members have to be present for it to officially count as a "meeting"? Cirdan and Radagast were not present in the one you describe. Although actually, I'm not sure WHAT happens to Radagast. He isn't really mentioned at all after he delivers Saruman's message to Gandalf. Last edited by Niffiwan : 01-22-2013 at 01:15 AM.

01-22-2013, 06:18 PM	#4
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	I suspect he was eaten by a pet bear. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

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*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	I would say it was a meeting of the members of the Council, but not a meeting of the Council - because, as you say, it was not a regularly scheduled, pre-announced meeting. But it would be the last time so many of the Council members met each other. __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

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03-13-2013, 02:52 PM	#7
*Alcuin* Salt Miner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: gone to Far Harad Posts: 987	The Council dealt with its last order of business: what to do with Saruman? Out of pride, he rejected their proposal of clemency, repentance, and forgiveness, then stormed out, turning his back on them and what was a most reasonable, gracious proposition. He died 66 days later, and was refused re-admission to Valinor.