08-10-2002, 10:16 AM | #1 |
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The Elves...
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The Elvenking in the Hobbit... was that Thranduil? If so, would not Legolas have lived in the cave as well, and if so, doesn't that conflict with his hatred of caves?
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08-10-2002, 10:57 AM | #2 |
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Perhaps Legolas wasn't born yet. Then his hatred of caves is probably what made him decide to go on adventures and leave home.
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08-10-2002, 12:31 PM | #3 |
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Very interesting question. It says that Thranduil hall were modeled after Menegroth though less splendid. I would say that it was a dislike of natural caves as opposed to and unground city.
He seemed fine in Moria ( I think), but he seemed ill at ease with the glittering caves.
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08-10-2002, 02:29 PM | #4 |
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well, he was fine once there, but when they asked, he said that he didn't want to go to Moria.
Legolas was nearly 3000 years old in FOTR. The hobbit was only 60 years after that.
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08-10-2002, 06:09 PM | #6 |
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But I always thought that Legolas was there when the dwarves were hauled in. Who knows though? Glorfindel lived for quite some time and still looked moderately young.
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08-11-2002, 04:28 AM | #7 |
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Legolas is not mentioned in the Hobbit.
Elves will look "young" forever. Galadriel is well over 10,000 years old and she is still a babe.
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08-11-2002, 06:05 AM | #8 |
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I don't think Legolas, or the Wood-Elves in general, hated caves. They just preferred the open air and growing things around them. Caves they used for storage and shelter, and for their protection when the outside world made it necessary.
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08-11-2002, 02:58 PM | #9 |
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if Legolas were younger then 60 years old, he wasn't go to war. It's a very young age for elves. I always thought he was 500 years old in FOTR... but i don't know that.
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08-11-2002, 03:13 PM | #10 |
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Elves were considered adult at age 50.
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08-11-2002, 03:17 PM | #11 |
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and that mean they let their sons to go to a war in this age? I don't think Legolas could be such a good ranger without at least 60 years.
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08-11-2002, 03:25 PM | #12 |
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We let are soldiers go to war at 18. When they become an adult.
Also, its when their bodies mature. Their minds are quicker. Also, He is not a Ranger.
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08-12-2002, 02:55 PM | #13 |
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I meant archer (bow-man?)
and maybe you let your soldiers to go to war at this age, but usually we let them to go to war a few years later... 20 years old? |
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08-14-2002, 07:49 PM | #16 |
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Legolas's age - the view from Ithlien
The books aren't in front of me right now, but at some point in The Two Towers while they're in the vicinity of Fangorn, Legolas notes that he's watched many an oak grow from acorn to ruinous age.
He doesn't say this has been consecutively, of course, but that's the impression I got. That gives us something to go on. An oak's life span varies according to species -- there's a 500-year-old live oak (sans a lichen beard, unfortunately) in Magnolia Springs, Alabama, for instance. But that tree needs a warmer climate than likely existed for Mirkwood. In Ithlien maybe, but not in the northern forest, which from Bilbo's description sounded like a typical northern hardwood forest in its southernmost reaches, with beech, birch, maple and a lot of oaks. Oak species more likely to be found in there where winter held sway during part of the year likely had a slightly less lengthy lifespan than a live oak: on a quick Net search, I learned that the oldest white oak east of the Mississippi River, for instance, is some 370 years old, and bur oaks live 300 to 400 years. Figuring 300 to 400 years at a crack, Legolas is telling us that's he's been around a long time. He didn't stand out in The Hobbit, but then his dad's only concessions to kingly attire were a crown of leaves or flowers, depending on the season, and a carved staff (of oak, if I remember right). The Wood Elves were apparently not big on pomp and easily recognizable symbols of rank, so to Bilbo (who had a lot of other stuff to think about at the time and certainly wasn't likely to be present at meals and elvish celebrations where rank would have been more obvious) Legolas would just have seemed to be another elf. |
08-27-2002, 12:01 PM | #17 |
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There is also a dialogue between Gandalf and Legolas in the Two Towers about the Golden Hall in Edoras of Rohan. Gandalf says that too the men of rohan it seems like time began when that hall was built Legolas says he remembers it as if it was yesterday or something equivalent to that. And the hall was built around 500 years before LOTR, I think.
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08-30-2002, 10:14 AM | #18 |
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I thought Legolas was 500. my sister told me that... so I thought he's old and probably saw Bilbo and dwarfs in Mirkwood.
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08-30-2002, 02:01 PM | #19 |
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I always felt around 600 but that is just an opinion.
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09-01-2002, 07:51 PM | #20 |
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I think Legolas is 21 and the real reason he left the caves is because he was drinkin all the frickin wine and they threw him out.
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