Artificial Gravity

trolls' bane · 10-29-2005, 10:39 PM

-Methods of Creating Artificial Gravity

-Stanford Torus

-Bernal Sphere

-O'Neill Cylinder

As many of you unfortuneately know, this has been a big problem on my mind. I need feedback. Help?

***Earniel*** · 10-30-2005, 05:54 AM

And how is artificial gravity a big problem?

[EDIT]Good god, I can hardly spell anymore!

[/EDIT]

trolls' bane · 10-30-2005, 06:17 AM

[Sax Russell]
*blinks*
Good question. It lacks explanation.
*blinks*
Well, it's interesting to me. Very interesting, and I guess I was wondering whether I was not the only other person interested.
That makes no sense, I know.
Anyway, this serves the same purpose as many science-related GM Threads, yet, like the rest, stands alone.
*blinks*
I suppose this is the same as the Terraforming question.
*blinks*
It's like trying to open and understand the human mind...to try to make sense out of thought, to give a process to intelligence, to give an explanation to the Great Unexplainable.
*blinks*
And I sincerely beleive it cannot be explained, hence my phrasing, the thirst for knowledge can only be explained as the fear of ignorance.
*blinks*
[/Sax Russell]

[Anna Russell (unrelated to Sax Russell entirely)]
...Don't ask me why...
[/Anna Russell]

***Earniel*** · 10-30-2005, 06:36 AM

Oookay, that possibly made even less sense....

So basically, if I get this right, you're interested in the problem of generating artificial gravity, which is a necesity for people living permanently in space.

And you want to know what people think of the three current, but still mostly theoretic (at least on bigger scales), methods of generating artificial gravity?

trolls' bane · 10-30-2005, 06:38 AM

*blinks*
Well put!

*blinks*

Grey_Wolf · 10-30-2005, 11:09 AM

All three will work on permanent stations around a planet.

When I think of Space and the exploration of it I usually ponder the use of something that looks like huge shuttle external tanks in which there will be housed the different rooms in which the astronauts will live.

In Buzz Aldrin's Encounter with Tiber and Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars this method is used for the ships going to the stars and to Mars.

Perhaps it could be used for permanent stations as well.

trolls' bane · 10-30-2005, 05:09 PM

Are you referring to the Ares?

Janny · 10-30-2005, 05:39 PM

tb, I was under the impression that these things weren't going to be tested, because people go to space to test things without gravity, and because of the cost of rotating parts?

trolls' bane · 10-30-2005, 05:49 PM

Huh?
Why wouldn't they be tested!? Weightlessness is extremely harmful. And we already know they would work, but to what extent?

I recently heard of something that is a total waste of time! It's a dumb version of the Bernal sphere called Globus Cassus. It is so pointless! Why would we want to turn Earth inside out! There is absolutely no point...It would take forever, have no purpose, and cost trillions. Why????

The F***ing planet works fine being with the outside out! Why reverse it?

Janny · 10-30-2005, 05:55 PM

Eek, got you off on something there. :P

I thought that the people with the money had no interest in making artificial gravity... not that I'm terribly well informed.

trolls' bane · 10-30-2005, 06:03 PM

Well, I appreciate the thought, but I'm not one of the people with the money.

I know many of the major space agencies are researching it. Rotation seems the only practical way I can think of, so that's why all of my links are towards rotation-based structures. I think, looking at it, my favorite is the torus, because it can be wrapped around something.
I would like to ask a mod to change the title of the thread, if possible, to "Artificial Gravity and Space Elevators." I'm sure the mods would like it more than if I just created a Space Elevator thread. I'm not posting that right now, but I will later.

Grey_Wolf · 10-31-2005, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trolls' bane

Are you referring to the Ares?

Indeed. I thought that was a terrific solution for the shipdesign issue.

The Gaffer · 10-31-2005, 04:41 AM

This reminds me of the invisibility joke in Hitch Hiker's Guide, which was something like:

"Although technically possible, the difficulties involved in making something invisible were so great that 999,999,999 times out of a billion it is far easier just to get rid of the thing you were trying to make invisible and do without it instead."

trolls' bane · 11-02-2005, 10:51 PM

LOL!

EarthBound · 11-03-2005, 01:58 PM

I hate to admit...but admit I will.....I'm a total "geek-inventor-in-the-basement' type...completely love physics and tech. and hope to retire to my laboratory years from now to play and create.....mwaahahahahahah

rohirrim TR · 11-04-2005, 04:33 PM

artificial gravity, i hadn't even considered how we achieve artificial gravity, facsinating, thats what i love about you TB your always on the cutting edge.

the death star must have some type of centrifugal core, i'm not sure about our star destroyers though, hmm...the engineer position is still available are you interested EB?

trolls' bane · 11-05-2005, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohirrim TR

artificial gravity, i hadn't even considered how we achieve artificial gravity, facsinating, thats what i love about you TB your always on the cutting edge.

the death star must have some type of centrifugal core, i'm not sure about our star destroyers though, hmm...the engineer position is still available are you interested EB?

Nope, Rohirrim. I'm way ahead of you here.
The Death Star's gravity was controlled by the most powerful Gravity field generator ever made.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Wars Expanded Universe Databank

Aboard the first Death Star, a working prototype of an incredibly powerful gravity well projector was nearing the final stages of development. The device, small enough to be carried by two men, required a power source 10 times more powerful than that of a Star Destroyer's main tractor beam. The resultant gravity well, however, was immense -- much larger than those generated by the G-7x.

This prototype projector survived the destruction of the Death Star, and floated for a time within a large chunk of debris. This debris became the center-point of the floating Ugor junkyard in the Paradise system. The gravity well projector was somehow reactivated, and became the center of a vast junk asteroid field. The Ugors, who worship trash, referred to the Death Star fragment -- the new center of their system -- as the Holiest of Holies. The projector itself was known as the Prime Mover. The gravity well projector was removed by a Rebel strike force assisting a Squib mission to disrupt the Ugor trash-hauling racket. With the removal of the projector, the Paradise system fell apart.

I'd also like to add that the Death Star had a shopping mall for the residents. It's true!

Star Destroyers use gravity well generators as well.

rohirrim TR · 11-06-2005, 04:22 PM

oh wow....

note to self: must read more SW databank.

trolls' bane · 11-06-2005, 05:54 PM

You need the site? You have to go through a lot if you go directly from www.starwars.com. I could link you directly to the databank page.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/category/

Curubethion · 11-08-2005, 12:27 AM

Isn't the Death Star itself massive enough to create its own gravity? Or am I mistaken?

10-29-2005, 10:39 PM	#1
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10-30-2005, 05:54 AM	#2
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10-30-2005, 06:17 AM	#3
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	[Sax Russell] blinks Good question. It lacks explanation. blinks Well, it's interesting to me. Very interesting, and I guess I was wondering whether I was not the only other person interested. That makes no sense, I know. Anyway, this serves the same purpose as many science-related GM Threads, yet, like the rest, stands alone. blinks I suppose this is the same as the Terraforming question. blinks It's like trying to open and understand the human mind...to try to make sense out of thought, to give a process to intelligence, to give an explanation to the Great Unexplainable. blinks And I sincerely beleive it cannot be explained, hence my phrasing, the thirst for knowledge can only be explained as the fear of ignorance. blinks [/Sax Russell] [Anna Russell (unrelated to Sax Russell entirely)] ...Don't ask me why... [/Anna Russell] __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-30-2005, 06:36 AM	#4
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Oookay, that possibly made even less sense.... So basically, if I get this right, you're interested in the problem of generating artificial gravity, which is a necesity for people living permanently in space. And you want to know what people think of the three current, but still mostly theoretic (at least on bigger scales), methods of generating artificial gravity? __________________ We are not things.

10-30-2005, 06:38 AM	#5
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	blinks Well put! blinks __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-30-2005, 11:09 AM	#6
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	All three will work on permanent stations around a planet. When I think of Space and the exploration of it I usually ponder the use of something that looks like huge shuttle external tanks in which there will be housed the different rooms in which the astronauts will live. In Buzz Aldrin's Encounter with Tiber and Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars this method is used for the ships going to the stars and to Mars. Perhaps it could be used for permanent stations as well. Last edited by Grey_Wolf : 10-30-2005 at 11:11 AM.

10-30-2005, 05:09 PM	#7
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Are you referring to the Ares? __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-30-2005, 05:39 PM	#8
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	tb, I was under the impression that these things weren't going to be tested, because people go to space to test things without gravity, and because of the cost of rotating parts? __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

10-30-2005, 05:49 PM	#9
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Huh? Why wouldn't they be tested!? Weightlessness is extremely harmful. And we already know they would work, but to what extent? I recently heard of something that is a total waste of time! It's a dumb version of the Bernal sphere called Globus Cassus. It is so pointless! Why would we want to turn Earth inside out! There is absolutely no point...It would take forever, have no purpose, and cost trillions. Why???? The F***ing planet works fine being with the outside out! Why reverse it? __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-30-2005, 05:55 PM	#10
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Eek, got you off on something there. :P I thought that the people with the money had no interest in making artificial gravity... not that I'm terribly well informed. __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

10-30-2005, 06:03 PM	#11
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Well, I appreciate the thought, but I'm not one of the people with the money. I know many of the major space agencies are researching it. Rotation seems the only practical way I can think of, so that's why all of my links are towards rotation-based structures. I think, looking at it, my favorite is the torus, because it can be wrapped around something. I would like to ask a mod to change the title of the thread, if possible, to "Artificial Gravity and Space Elevators." I'm sure the mods would like it more than if I just created a Space Elevator thread. I'm not posting that right now, but I will later. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-31-2005, 04:41 AM	#13
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	This reminds me of the invisibility joke in Hitch Hiker's Guide, which was something like: "Although technically possible, the difficulties involved in making something invisible were so great that 999,999,999 times out of a billion it is far easier just to get rid of the thing you were trying to make invisible and do without it instead."

11-02-2005, 10:51 PM	#14
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	LOL! __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

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11-06-2005, 05:54 PM	#19
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11-08-2005, 12:27 AM	#20
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