Gothmog

[CrazySquirrel]

So you all rule out that Gothmog I and Gothmog II were the same person?
As Glorfindel I and Glorfindel II?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

yes, the balrog of moria was most likely the only one left by the time of the third age

[Twista]

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

yes, the balrog of moria was most likely the only one left by the time of the third age

You dont know that

After Morgoth was defeated it states "the few remaining Balrogs crawled into the cracks of the earth...." so there could have been more. No?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

depends which text you use
i hold to the idea that there were only 7 to begin with, two slain in sack of gondolin, some must have been slain in war of wrath, can't leave many, can it? and i certainly don't think balrogs came back, the only maia to return to ME from death was gandalf, and that was due to his task, and the fall of saruman, eru had to have a white istari in charge, frankly

[Twista]

Im not going to get into this now. lol.

BUT all I'm saying is that there could have been more..

Maybe there was another in the east... and I dont know... maybe Palando, one of the missing Isitari, faugt a mirrored battle like Gandalf and Durins Bane....

Or is that just silly?

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i dont know, all i'm saying is that there was only one in the northwest of middle earth(mordor-rhun westwards) at the time of WotR

[CrazySquirrel]

If you dig deep under the mountains perhaps you find a couple more

[CrazySquirrel]

Originally Posted by gordis

He could be a young Black Numenorean. Somehow people tend to think that a "Black Numenorean" was a Second age term only, so any Black Numenorean would be over 3000 years old. But it is not so. Actually Black Numenoreans were a people of Numenorean origin living in Harad (and probably in Mordor as well) throughout the III age. Some of the rulers of Harad were Black Numenoreans.
There were many Numenoreans living in ME at the time of the Downfall, and so they survived. Some were "king's men", called Black Numenoreans, worshipping Morgoth and refusing to speak elvish. The others were "the faithful", still honoring the Valar and Eru, even after the Downfall. The faithful joined Isildur and Anarion and were the base of Gondor population. All Numenoreans were proud of their origin and tried not to mingle with lesser men. In the north, people of Numenorean descent were called "dunedain" = men of the west in Elvish. Some black numenoreans allied themselves with Sauron, others probably put the blame of Numenor's downfall both on Sauron and the Valar and so remained more or less neutral in Harad. Umbar corsairs were descendants of Black Numenoreans. Queen Beruthiel was a Black Numenorean. Mouth of Sauron was one also. The latter must have worked for Sauron since his return to Mordor - for about 70 years so he was not an old man either (by numenorean standards).

As for Gothmog, I think he was a nazgul, though there is no direct evidence.

HEHE IF he were a nazgul where has he got the horse to ride?

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by CrazySquirrel

HEHE IF he were a nazgul where has he got the horse to ride?

HOHO HE has taken the one the Witch-King left at the gate!