i read the hobbit!

06-29-2000, 04:43 PM

YA, i did. i had it read to me about 5 years ago, but i (a few weeks ago) decided to read it.
i have a few questions: (well i probally forgot most of them)
1. why didn't Gandalf say anything when Bilbo told him about the ring?
2. why was Gandalf at the lake-men's and elves camp? it made it seem like he wasn't on the dwarves side.
3. why wasn't the end of the hobbit a cliffhanger? it sort of gives an epilouge like there won't be another book.
4. i forgot my other questions! oh well

06-29-2000, 04:51 PM

Finally!

1. You are reading LotR, so you will find this out in Chapter 2. (Of course, at the rate you're going, that could take weeks

)

2. I don't know/remember. It's been awhile since I've read the book.

3. The Hobbit was published in 1937. LotR was published in 1954. Tolkien took a huge amount of time to write LotR. When the Hobbit was published, he didn't know that any publisher would accept LotR or if he would even finish it. In fact, several things had to be changed in The Hobbit when LotR came out because they were conflicting. The original chapter was posted somewhere in this forum.

06-29-2000, 05:32 PM

Gandalf was a mover and a shaker. Everything he did had a purpose, including apparently siding with the men and elves against the dwarves. But that was just the way it appeared.

Gandalf had taken many years to start the events that resulted in the death of Smaug. Once that end had finally been achieved, his next goal was to ensure peaceful relationships between the peoples in the area of Erebor (the Lonely Mountain).

The wizard was at the camp of Elves and Men in an effort to talk Thorin out of fighting. He was a mediator of sorts, not an enemy of the Dwarves, and it was the sheer stubborness of Thorin that eventually brought on a battle.

Fortunately for everyone, the goblins appeared and the Battle of Five Armies was fought. Otherwise, Thorin and Co. would have been slain and there would have been war and lasting enmity between the folk that Gandalf wanted to be allies.

06-29-2000, 06:27 PM

Well put. Come to think of it, why didn't Gandalf just go up there and kill Smaug himself? He didn't really need the assistance of Bilbo or even the dwarves.

06-29-2000, 07:10 PM

From 'Lord of the Rings', Appendix B, The Tale of Years, The Third Age:

"When maybe a thousand years had passed, and the first shadow had fallen on Greenwood the Great, the Istari or Wizards appeared in Middle-earth. It was afterwards said that they came out of the Far West and were messengers sent to contest the power of Sauron, and to unite all those who had the will to resist him; but THEY WERE FORBIDDEN TO MATCH HIS POWER WITH POWER, or to seek to dominate Elves or Men by force and fear." (Emphasis mine)
Gandalf was able to fight and defeat the Balrog, because that was a supernatural being like himself, beyond the ability of others to cope with. But the Wizards were not allowed to go around destroying all manifestations of evil. The use of their power was strictly limited.

06-29-2000, 07:40 PM

if the goblins didn't come, thorin and co. would most-likely not have been slain. If you remember, Bilbo gave the elves and men the arkenstone for trading purposes so that thorin would give in to their requests. It is possible that after Dain of the Iron hills came that Thorin wouldn't keep his par of the bargain (giving hte men and elves 1/14 share of the treasure),but none the less, the goblins did come so there is no point to speculate.

07-03-2000, 11:41 AM

Yay!!! Congrats CT!! So then, you are going to start LOTR? You better hurry before that new HP book comes out.

07-03-2000, 02:20 PM

I don't think it was farfetched to 'specultate' that Thorin would have been killed. If the battle between the Dwarves and the Elves/Men Alliance had happened, the Dwarf would have most likely died anyway.

Either way, Gandalf was there to stop that if he could.

07-04-2000, 03:39 AM

Dirty speculator!
signed,
not a ranger

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 12-24-2002, 02:34 PM

I like the Hobbit i think it is such a good book

Blackboar · 12-24-2002, 03:38 PM

Yeah!!! But not as good as LotR

Eothain · 01-03-2003, 04:50 PM

the hobbit rules.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-10-2003, 09:11 AM

I just reread the hobbit, and I'm amazed at how good it is (I'd forgotten).

Legolaslvr! · 01-10-2003, 08:55 PM

Yeah!!

I just read the hobbit 4 the first time I thought it was great know I'm reading the Fellowship!!!!

My fav char in the Hobbit is Thorin it was sad when he you know what!!!

Lady of Rohan · 01-11-2003, 07:52 PM

hey legolaslvr! your computer isnt messed n e more!

Elf Girl · 01-12-2003, 01:01 PM

This thread is three years old. Why is it revived?

Blackboar · 01-12-2003, 01:14 PM

Who knows?

How do you do that?

I can't find any threads this old anywhere other but the Archive forum?

***azalea*** · 01-12-2003, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
This thread is three years old. Why is it revived?

See the thread I closed started by Kili. Hey, I figure, why start a new thread when a perfectly good one already exists about the same thing?

FattyBulger · 01-13-2003, 12:26 AM

I read the Hobbit for the first time when I was 6. I luvved it sooo much that I read LOTR before I turned 7.

I think it would be good to read the book that Bilbo wrote (There and back again, a hobbit's tale).

I wonder what would have happened if Bilbo had not been left behind. I guess he would never have gotten any respect

***azalea*** · 01-13-2003, 12:33 AM

What do you mean, "left behind?"

06-29-2000, 04:43 PM	#1
HOBBIT Guest Posts: n/a	i read the hobbit! YA, i did. i had it read to me about 5 years ago, but i (a few weeks ago) decided to read it. i have a few questions: (well i probally forgot most of them) 1. why didn't Gandalf say anything when Bilbo told him about the ring? 2. why was Gandalf at the lake-men's and elves camp? it made it seem like he wasn't on the dwarves side. 3. why wasn't the end of the hobbit a cliffhanger? it sort of gives an epilouge like there won't be another book. 4. i forgot my other questions! oh well

06-29-2000, 04:51 PM	#2
bmilder Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! Finally! 1. You are reading LotR, so you will find this out in Chapter 2. (Of course, at the rate you're going, that could take weeks ) 2. I don't know/remember. It's been awhile since I've read the book. 3. The Hobbit was published in 1937. LotR was published in 1954. Tolkien took a huge amount of time to write LotR. When the Hobbit was published, he didn't know that any publisher would accept LotR or if he would even finish it. In fact, several things had to be changed in The Hobbit when LotR came out because they were conflicting. The original chapter was posted somewhere in this forum.

06-29-2000, 05:32 PM	#3
RKittle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! Gandalf was a mover and a shaker. Everything he did had a purpose, including apparently siding with the men and elves against the dwarves. But that was just the way it appeared. Gandalf had taken many years to start the events that resulted in the death of Smaug. Once that end had finally been achieved, his next goal was to ensure peaceful relationships between the peoples in the area of Erebor (the Lonely Mountain). The wizard was at the camp of Elves and Men in an effort to talk Thorin out of fighting. He was a mediator of sorts, not an enemy of the Dwarves, and it was the sheer stubborness of Thorin that eventually brought on a battle. Fortunately for everyone, the goblins appeared and the Battle of Five Armies was fought. Otherwise, Thorin and Co. would have been slain and there would have been war and lasting enmity between the folk that Gandalf wanted to be allies.

06-29-2000, 06:27 PM	#4
bmilder Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! Well put. Come to think of it, why didn't Gandalf just go up there and kill Smaug himself? He didn't really need the assistance of Bilbo or even the dwarves.

06-29-2000, 07:10 PM	#5
Quickbeam Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! From 'Lord of the Rings', Appendix B, The Tale of Years, The Third Age: "When maybe a thousand years had passed, and the first shadow had fallen on Greenwood the Great, the Istari or Wizards appeared in Middle-earth. It was afterwards said that they came out of the Far West and were messengers sent to contest the power of Sauron, and to unite all those who had the will to resist him; but THEY WERE FORBIDDEN TO MATCH HIS POWER WITH POWER, or to seek to dominate Elves or Men by force and fear." (Emphasis mine) Gandalf was able to fight and defeat the Balrog, because that was a supernatural being like himself, beyond the ability of others to cope with. But the Wizards were not allowed to go around destroying all manifestations of evil. The use of their power was strictly limited.

06-29-2000, 07:40 PM	#6
HOBBIT Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! if the goblins didn't come, thorin and co. would most-likely not have been slain. If you remember, Bilbo gave the elves and men the arkenstone for trading purposes so that thorin would give in to their requests. It is possible that after Dain of the Iron hills came that Thorin wouldn't keep his par of the bargain (giving hte men and elves 1/14 share of the treasure),but none the less, the goblins did come so there is no point to speculate.

07-03-2000, 11:41 AM	#7
anduin Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! Yay!!! Congrats CT!! So then, you are going to start LOTR? You better hurry before that new HP book comes out.

07-03-2000, 02:20 PM	#8
RKittle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! I don't think it was farfetched to 'specultate' that Thorin would have been killed. If the battle between the Dwarves and the Elves/Men Alliance had happened, the Dwarf would have most likely died anyway. Either way, Gandalf was there to stop that if he could.

07-04-2000, 03:39 AM	#9
galpsi Guest Posts: n/a	Re: i read the hobbit! Dirty speculator! signed, not a ranger

12-24-2002, 02:34 PM	#10
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	I like the Hobbit i think it is such a good book

12-24-2002, 03:38 PM	#11
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Yeah!!! But not as good as LotR

01-03-2003, 04:50 PM	#12
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	The Hobbit. the hobbit rules. __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

01-10-2003, 09:11 AM	#13
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01-10-2003, 08:55 PM	#14
Legolaslvr! Super Smilie Freak Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the entmoot army, trying to get rid of black and blue! Posts: 350	Yeah!! I just read the hobbit 4 the first time I thought it was great know I'm reading the Fellowship!!!! My fav char in the Hobbit is Thorin it was sad when he you know what!!!

01-11-2003, 07:52 PM	#15
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	hey legolaslvr! your computer isnt messed n e more!

01-12-2003, 01:01 PM	#16
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	This thread is three years old. Why is it revived? __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-12-2003, 01:14 PM	#17
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01-13-2003, 12:26 AM	#19
FattyBulger Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 22	I read the Hobbit for the first time when I was 6. I luvved it sooo much that I read LOTR before I turned 7. I think it would be good to read the book that Bilbo wrote (There and back again, a hobbit's tale). I wonder what would have happened if Bilbo had not been left behind. I guess he would never have gotten any respect __________________ Georgia Productions

01-13-2003, 12:33 AM	#20
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