LLL discussion thread part IV

***Earniel*** · 10-08-2008, 05:12 PM

This is the (last) discussion thread for the RPG Long Lost Leaves.

The first part of the game thread is here, the second part here. And the third part is here.

The three previous parts of the discussion thread are here, here and here

Useful plot-posts:
Radagast introduces the quest
Radagast reading the Dol Guldur papers
Teye's first three visions
Teye's fourth vision

Active players:
Acalewia: Aelfwine (rohirrim/human)
Aikanáro: Tabril (Avari/elf)
Eärniel: Radagast (wizard)
Feawen: Nami (Greenwood/elf)
Midge: Aerin (elf) - Magor (human)
Sane: Carnehillion (human)
Varnafindë: Barufiniel (Rivendell/elf)

Non-Active players (NPG)
- Truor (gruff beorning, originally played by Yaygollum)
- Blossomshade (ent-wife, originally played by Yaygollum, adopted by Midge)
- Earthshaker (ent, originally played by Nuelbar)
- Branwyn (Gondorean scholar, originally played by Tessar)
- Hedrim Valdaes (Northern human, originally played by Orithil)
- Borin (Dwarf, originally played by Sasquatch)
- Haldis (beorning woman, originally played by Willow Oran)

Aikanáro · 06-22-2011, 11:51 AM

Wow. I think that counts as a Crowning Moment of Awesome, for those of you familiar with TV Tropes.

Particularly the whistling.

***Varnafindë*** · 06-22-2011, 12:05 PM

I was actually applauding, all on my own

I think I should have Baru do something similar. Not too noticable to the Khagan, of course.

Edit:

Quote:

No warrior worth the name would follow an oathbreaker.

Some warriors that Tabril would not consider worth the name, might still follow him, though.
A completely foreign concept to her. And it might not happen within her sight anyway.

***Earniel*** · 06-22-2011, 04:21 PM

I thought it was pretty clever myself.

Of course it is easier when you're handling both the good and the bad guys, then you can decide how to deliver check and checkmate and when.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varnafindë

Some warriors that Tabril would not consider worth the name, might still follow him, though.
A completely foreign concept to her. And it might not happen within her sight anyway.

Well, the Ultai are Men, so undoubtedly a bit more fickle about honour than Elves, even Avari. And as I established before the Ultai also value cunning. So if the Khagan can find a way to talk himself out of the oath, his soldiers may consider his honour intact, but he may also risk mass desertion or even an uproar if he doesn't play his cards right. It makes the Ultai a bit more complicated but that's realistically human.

Aikanáro · 06-23-2011, 12:26 AM

Yes - that line was more to reflect Tabrîl's perspective rather than to say anything definitive about the Ultai. She approved of Finrod, remember?

It hasn't really occured to her that the Ultai might not treat oaths as such a serious business, and that they'd appreciate the finding of loopholes.

***Varnafindë*** · 06-23-2011, 11:52 AM

There are cultures of our world that consider treachery a work of art (at least I've heard of one such culture), and will admire highly someone who betrays others with great cunning and perhaps over a long time. So the definition of honour may vary ...

(I assume Tabril wouldn't share that view of treachery either.)

***Earniel*** · 06-24-2011, 05:45 AM

I've heard of one such culture too, but only from hearsay that is supposedly exist, nothing else.

In that aspect I based this Ultai custom a tad on the idea of Trickster gods. Mostly the Scandinavian Loki since that is the one I am most familiar with. Loki excelled in trickery and not just with words, and while his tricks can be used to create a lot of havoc he can also be a force for good and play his tyricks on the bad guys.

feawen · 06-27-2011, 04:35 AM

just got back from holiday it looks like you have been busy while ive been away! very exciting!

***Earniel*** · 07-01-2011, 08:16 AM

And there they are. The Entwives. After four years of play.

Not sure if I can squeeze out another post before leaving. Holiday preparations here are like organising a fullblown exodus. So feel free to finish it on your own, there are no leading posts from me required anymore. Just dig them out, and give them some Entdraught, that ought to wake them up.

I'm just a wee bit sorry the end was a bit rushed this month. Originally I had planned for a great big battle with the Ultai, but after finding out most of you weren't really interested in a fight, I scrapped that and rewrote it into just a game of words. I also for a very long time planned on involving the Dwarves at the end. (I sent away Borin the Dwarf just for that.) I had set them up as a vehicle for the glorious return of Quickleaf. But since Coffeehouse hadn't posted in a long while, the need of bringing in the Dwarves fell away. It definitely made the ending a bit swifter too, so perhaps it is better that way.

Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed yourself. It's been a big learning experience for me, so thank you all for that. And thanks for sticking with me for four years!

(Four years? madness!)

feawen · 07-01-2011, 11:57 AM

well i have found it most enjoyable thank you!

***Varnafindë*** · 07-01-2011, 12:52 PM

I have enjoyed it as well! I still don't really know what Baru's part was in the company, but I guess that there's strength in numbers, and that should be enough. And she has been doing little things now and then, which is enough reason for her to feel that she has been part of accomplishing something!

Midge · 07-01-2011, 01:58 PM

We are quite a different group than first started out on this "journey", aren't we?

Honestly, I'm quite glad we didn't have to get rid of the Guardian ourselves. One of us might've died!

feawen · 07-01-2011, 02:14 PM

hehe how it should have ended reference!

***Varnafindë*** · 07-01-2011, 02:58 PM

I was reading Midge's posts in the old discussion threads to find Aerin's hair color (which she doesn't specify in her bio - which is it, Midge? I do need to know

), and I came across this post about Hedrim - which we now understand a lot better

Aikanáro · 07-03-2011, 03:20 PM

I love this RP. I can't quite believe it's being going on so long - thank you, Earniel, for sticking with it and bringing us to the conclusion. I think this is the first RP I've ever participated in that has got so far.

Even Tabrîl's pleased.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-03-2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aikanáro

Even Tabrîl's pleased.

Really elated! Could you please translate for us?

Aikanáro · 07-03-2011, 04:28 PM

Yes.

Just not yet, as that would reveal why she's so pleased and that's something better done IC. I'll post a full translation in time, though.

Barufiniel may well have been around her long enough to recognize da 'latya, though, which translates as something along the lines of 'praise be!' Not that the non-verbal clues don't help a little with that.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-03-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aikanáro

Yes.

Just not yet, as that would reveal why she's so pleased and that's something better done IC. I'll post a full translation in time, though.

Oh, that's even better!

Quote:

Barufiniel may well have been around her long enough to recognize da 'latya, though, which translates as something along the lines of 'praise be!' Not that the non-verbal clues don't help a little with that.

I didn't, but Baru will, then.

Those words do indeed go well with the non-verbal clues

Aikanáro · 07-03-2011, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varnafindë

I didn't, but Baru will, then.

Those words do indeed go well with the non-verbal clues

I don't think I've had Tabrîl use that particular phrase before - she would have, though, in all the time she's been travelling with them, and Barufiniel's got enough linguistic background to pick up on it.

(Imperative tense-marker da + alatya, cognate with Quenya laita, to praise

)

Midge · 07-04-2011, 02:18 PM

We had a lot of Elves on this journey... That's all I'm sayin.

10-08-2008, 05:12 PM	#1
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	LLL discussion thread part IV This is the (last) discussion thread for the RPG Long Lost Leaves. The first part of the game thread is here, the second part here. And the third part is here. The three previous parts of the discussion thread are here, here and here Useful plot-posts: Radagast introduces the quest Radagast reading the Dol Guldur papers Teye's first three visions Teye's fourth vision Active players: Acalewia: Aelfwine (rohirrim/human) Aikanáro: Tabril (Avari/elf) Eärniel: Radagast (wizard) Feawen: Nami (Greenwood/elf) Midge: Aerin (elf) - Magor (human) Sane: Carnehillion (human) Varnafindë: Barufiniel (Rivendell/elf) Non-Active players (NPG) - Truor (gruff beorning, originally played by Yaygollum) - Blossomshade (ent-wife, originally played by Yaygollum, adopted by Midge) - Earthshaker (ent, originally played by Nuelbar) - Branwyn (Gondorean scholar, originally played by Tessar) - Hedrim Valdaes (Northern human, originally played by Orithil) - Borin (Dwarf, originally played by Sasquatch) - Haldis (beorning woman, originally played by Willow Oran) __________________ We are not things.

06-22-2011, 11:51 AM	#2
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	LLL discussion thread part IV Wow. I think that counts as a Crowning Moment of Awesome, for those of you familiar with TV Tropes. Particularly the whistling. __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

06-23-2011, 12:26 AM	#5
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Yes - that line was more to reflect Tabrîl's perspective rather than to say anything definitive about the Ultai. She approved of Finrod, remember? It hasn't really occured to her that the Ultai might not treat oaths as such a serious business, and that they'd appreciate the finding of loopholes. __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

06-23-2011, 11:52 AM	#6
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	There are cultures of our world that consider treachery a work of art (at least I've heard of one such culture), and will admire highly someone who betrays others with great cunning and perhaps over a long time. So the definition of honour may vary ... (I assume Tabril wouldn't share that view of treachery either.) __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

06-24-2011, 05:45 AM	#7
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I've heard of one such culture too, but only from hearsay that is supposedly exist, nothing else. In that aspect I based this Ultai custom a tad on the idea of Trickster gods. Mostly the Scandinavian Loki since that is the one I am most familiar with. Loki excelled in trickery and not just with words, and while his tricks can be used to create a lot of havoc he can also be a force for good and play his tyricks on the bad guys. __________________ We are not things.

06-27-2011, 04:35 AM	#8
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	just got back from holiday it looks like you have been busy while ive been away! very exciting! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

07-01-2011, 08:16 AM	#9
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	And there they are. The Entwives. After four years of play. Not sure if I can squeeze out another post before leaving. Holiday preparations here are like organising a fullblown exodus. So feel free to finish it on your own, there are no leading posts from me required anymore. Just dig them out, and give them some Entdraught, that ought to wake them up. I'm just a wee bit sorry the end was a bit rushed this month. Originally I had planned for a great big battle with the Ultai, but after finding out most of you weren't really interested in a fight, I scrapped that and rewrote it into just a game of words. I also for a very long time planned on involving the Dwarves at the end. (I sent away Borin the Dwarf just for that.) I had set them up as a vehicle for the glorious return of Quickleaf. But since Coffeehouse hadn't posted in a long while, the need of bringing in the Dwarves fell away. It definitely made the ending a bit swifter too, so perhaps it is better that way. Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed yourself. It's been a big learning experience for me, so thank you all for that. And thanks for sticking with me for four years! (Four years? madness!) __________________ We are not things.

07-01-2011, 11:57 AM	#10
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	well i have found it most enjoyable thank you! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

07-01-2011, 12:52 PM	#11
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	I have enjoyed it as well! I still don't really know what Baru's part was in the company, but I guess that there's strength in numbers, and that should be enough. And she has been doing little things now and then, which is enough reason for her to feel that she has been part of accomplishing something! __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-01-2011, 01:58 PM	#12
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	We are quite a different group than first started out on this "journey", aren't we? Honestly, I'm quite glad we didn't have to get rid of the Guardian ourselves. One of us might've died! __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-01-2011, 02:14 PM	#13
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	hehe how it should have ended reference! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

07-01-2011, 02:58 PM	#14
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	I was reading Midge's posts in the old discussion threads to find Aerin's hair color (which she doesn't specify in her bio - which is it, Midge? I do need to know ), and I came across this post about Hedrim - which we now understand a lot better __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-03-2011, 03:20 PM	#15
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	I love this RP. I can't quite believe it's being going on so long - thank you, Earniel, for sticking with it and bringing us to the conclusion. I think this is the first RP I've ever participated in that has got so far. Even Tabrîl's pleased. __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

07-03-2011, 04:28 PM	#17
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Yes. Just not yet, as that would reveal why she's so pleased and that's something better done IC. I'll post a full translation in time, though. Barufiniel may well have been around her long enough to recognize da 'latya, though, which translates as something along the lines of 'praise be!' Not that the non-verbal clues don't help a little with that. __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

07-04-2011, 02:18 PM	#20
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	We had a lot of Elves on this journey... That's all I'm sayin. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

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