Concerning The Breaking of the Fellowship

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 08-21-2002, 04:38 PM

Near the end of FOTR, if the orcs had orders not to hurt the Halflings, why did Boromir have to save Merry and Pippin from an orc that was trying to kill them???(the orc had a sword raised and was ready to strike.)

emplynx · 08-21-2002, 05:28 PM

Wern't there orcs from Mordor and Isengard there? Maybe it was an Orc not from saruman than didn't know the orders.. That's just a guess.

Minyacamiel · 08-21-2002, 07:13 PM

wen the elves leave, does Arwen go with them? and do they come back?

Reumandar · 08-22-2002, 10:16 AM

the orc was probably just trying to scare them
and if Boromir weren't there they probably would have just taken them and ran so....
and Minyacamiel I don't understand the meaning of your quistion (not trying to sound ofensive

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SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 08-25-2002, 07:20 PM

I just recently re-watched Lotr;fotr, and Saruman (spelling?) only told Lurtz to bring back the halflings unspoiled. But, then when Lutrz and the other orcs show up at Amon Hennet (i think that's the location) he says "Find the Halflings." But, the orc did try and kill Merry and Pippin. I'm soo confuzed!

Sween · 08-25-2002, 07:27 PM

would'nt of made much of a movie if the Orcs didnt make an attempt to hurt them juyst a little i mean as if sauraman would mind if they were missing an arm or 2

LuthienTinuviel · 08-25-2002, 09:52 PM

i noticed that too. im still confused over it. tis odd ain't it?

BeardofPants · 08-25-2002, 10:33 PM

Boromir didn't know that the orcs were trying to take the half-lings alive.

cassiopeia · 08-25-2002, 11:27 PM

I thought that the orc would be trying to scare Merry and Pippin, so they it would be easier to kidnap them. I don't think the orc would try to kill them, since Saruman said not to. I thought there were only orcs from Isengard at Amon Hen, but I could be wrong.

Minyacamiel: do you mean when the elves depart from Middle Earth to the Undying Lands? Maybe you should read the book to find out what happens.

***Earniel*** · 08-26-2002, 06:27 PM

The orc was probably thinking: "Nasty halfings, making me run all the time. I'll show them!" that or he still had goo in his ears.

RosieCotton · 08-27-2002, 12:25 PM

Boromir didn't know the Orcs orders. Anyway, I don't think he would have said, "Oh well, they won't kill you Merry and Pip. {To the Orcs} Here they are! You can have them!" Anyway, the reason Sauraman wanted the Halflings alive was probably to question or torture them. If the Orcs chopped of an arm, they would still be "useful to Sauraman.

BeardofPants · 08-27-2002, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by RosieCotton
If the Orcs chopped of an arm, they would still be "useful to Sauraman.

If you chopped off an arm or something, they wouldn't've been able to run very well, as they would have kept passing out from the pain, orc draught, or no orc draught.

Sicirus · 08-27-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by SamwiseGamgeeOTS
Near the end of FOTR, if the orcs had orders not to hurt the Halflings, why did Boromir have to save Merry and Pippin from an orc that was trying to kill them???(the orc had a sword raised and was ready to strike.)

I would fight anybody who i diden't trust who tried to take my friend away. plus would you let orcs take you'r friend away. I mean the orcs would have killed them when they found out they did not posses the ring.

Artanis · 08-28-2002, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by Sicirus
I mean the orcs would have killed them when they found out they did not posses the ring.

The orcs didn't know about the ring, only that one of the hobbits carried a thing of great value. Sarumann wanted the ring for himself so he didn't tell them. That's why the order was to capture the hobbits alive and bring them back to him in one piece, with all their clothes and stuff.

The hewn sword in the movie seems to be a logical mistake.

RosieCotton · 08-28-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

If you chopped off an arm or something, they wouldn't've been able to run very well, as they would have kept passing out from the pain, orc draught, or no orc draught.

The Orcs carried them a good part of the way, and they could have done that longer. It would have prevented them from running away.

Spock · 08-28-2002, 11:11 AM

Here's where reading the books come in handy.

Orcs from the Red Eye and the White Hand were present. Both had orders not to harm the halflings. As for Boromir, he had already broken his vow to protect Frodo and support the effort and so to regain his honor as well as to protect himself (the orcs and his people were hardly friends) he fought to protect M.& P.

Nibs · 08-28-2002, 11:32 AM

I had noticed that part... why would even that one orc have it's weapon out to attack them? I just blow it off as one of the minor inconsistincies that almost inevitably accompanies a book-to-movie transition.

BeardofPants · 08-28-2002, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by RosieCotton

The Orcs carried them a good part of the way, and they could have done that longer. It would have prevented them from running away.

Yes, but they ran a good deal of the way as well, and time was of essence.

bropous · 08-28-2002, 07:49 PM

Folks, in the film, all the orcs at Amon Hen were Uruk-Hai, "Orcs of the White Hand."

The orc coming down the hill to attack Merry and Pippin has an axe raised for a death blow, and only Boromir's sword prevents the creature from chopping a little hobbit to bits. As to why, I would imagine 1) it got caught up in the moment and forgot his orders; 2) Lurtz had not passed the order to the other orcs that Saruman wanted the Halflings "alive and unspoiled"; or 3) the basic nature of the nasty, treacherous orc shone through.

I am curious as to whether the Orcs of the Red Eye make their appearance in Rohan. To me, one of the best scenes in the books is the argument between the Red Eyes and White Hands. I hope this has been preserved in the film, but I ain't holding my breath.

RosieCotton · 08-29-2002, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

Yes, but they ran a good deal of the way as well, and time was of essence.

Point taken. Guess the orks were just nasty.

08-21-2002, 04:38 PM	#1
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	Concerning The Breaking of the Fellowship Near the end of FOTR, if the orcs had orders not to hurt the Halflings, why did Boromir have to save Merry and Pippin from an orc that was trying to kill them???(the orc had a sword raised and was ready to strike.) __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

08-21-2002, 07:13 PM	#3
Minyacamiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 36	questin ples wen the elves leave, does Arwen go with them? and do they come back? __________________ See ya! Becky. Guys are like roses. You gotta watch out for the pricks. lol. Anyway, keep on lovin!

08-22-2002, 10:16 AM	#4
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	the orc was probably just trying to scare them and if Boromir weren't there they probably would have just taken them and ran so.... and Minyacamiel I don't understand the meaning of your quistion (not trying to sound ofensive) __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun Last edited by Reumandar : 08-26-2002 at 06:26 AM.

08-25-2002, 07:20 PM	#5
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	my queastion........ I just recently re-watched Lotr;fotr, and Saruman (spelling?) only told Lurtz to bring back the halflings unspoiled. But, then when Lutrz and the other orcs show up at Amon Hennet (i think that's the location) he says "Find the Halflings." But, the orc did try and kill Merry and Pippin. I'm soo confuzed! __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

08-25-2002, 07:27 PM	#6
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	would'nt of made much of a movie if the Orcs didnt make an attempt to hurt them juyst a little i mean as if sauraman would mind if they were missing an arm or 2 __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-21-2002, 05:28 PM	#2
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	Wern't there orcs from Mordor and Isengard there? Maybe it was an Orc not from saruman than didn't know the orders.. That's just a guess.

08-25-2002, 09:52 PM	#7
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i noticed that too. im still confused over it. tis odd ain't it? __________________

08-25-2002, 10:33 PM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Boromir didn't know that the orcs were trying to take the half-lings alive. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-25-2002, 11:27 PM	#9
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I thought that the orc would be trying to scare Merry and Pippin, so they it would be easier to kidnap them. I don't think the orc would try to kill them, since Saruman said not to. I thought there were only orcs from Isengard at Amon Hen, but I could be wrong. Minyacamiel: do you mean when the elves depart from Middle Earth to the Undying Lands? Maybe you should read the book to find out what happens. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-26-2002, 06:27 PM	#10
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	The orc was probably thinking: "Nasty halfings, making me run all the time. I'll show them!" that or he still had goo in his ears. __________________ We are not things.

08-27-2002, 12:25 PM	#11
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Boromir didn't know the Orcs orders. Anyway, I don't think he would have said, "Oh well, they won't kill you Merry and Pip. {To the Orcs} Here they are! You can have them!" Anyway, the reason Sauraman wanted the Halflings alive was probably to question or torture them. If the Orcs chopped of an arm, they would still be "useful to Sauraman. __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

08-28-2002, 11:11 AM	#16
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Here's where reading the books come in handy. Orcs from the Red Eye and the White Hand were present. Both had orders not to harm the halflings. As for Boromir, he had already broken his vow to protect Frodo and support the effort and so to regain his honor as well as to protect himself (the orcs and his people were hardly friends) he fought to protect M.& P. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-28-2002, 11:32 AM	#17
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	I had noticed that part... why would even that one orc have it's weapon out to attack them? I just blow it off as one of the minor inconsistincies that almost inevitably accompanies a book-to-movie transition. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

08-28-2002, 07:49 PM	#19
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Folks, in the film, all the orcs at Amon Hen were Uruk-Hai, "Orcs of the White Hand." The orc coming down the hill to attack Merry and Pippin has an axe raised for a death blow, and only Boromir's sword prevents the creature from chopping a little hobbit to bits. As to why, I would imagine 1) it got caught up in the moment and forgot his orders; 2) Lurtz had not passed the order to the other orcs that Saruman wanted the Halflings "alive and unspoiled"; or 3) the basic nature of the nasty, treacherous orc shone through. I am curious as to whether the Orcs of the Red Eye make their appearance in Rohan. To me, one of the best scenes in the books is the argument between the Red Eyes and White Hands. I hope this has been preserved in the film, but I ain't holding my breath. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

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