Origins of Orcs

Eärloth · 11-05-2003, 05:30 AM

I can't believe I didn't think of it before...what with all the discussion in the Should we pity orcs? thread: this thread questions the origins of Orcs; to host opinions on whether they were derived from Men or Elves. Knock yourselves out...

Radagast The Brown · 11-05-2003, 08:56 AM

There's already a thread about this, though it was dead for about a year... http://entmoot.com/showthread.php?s=...s&pagenumber=1

Ulmo · 11-06-2003, 10:41 AM

You might be interested in this article: All About Orcs

Ruinel · 01-09-2004, 03:21 PM

Twista, here is a thread that might be of help to you.

brownjenkins · 01-09-2004, 04:02 PM

originally elves... with some man mixed in later on

Ruinel · 01-09-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by brownjenkins
originally elves... with some man mixed in later on

Actually, there are two versions. One is where Orcs were bred from Men and the other is where Orcs were bred from Elves.

brownjenkins · 01-09-2004, 05:26 PM

true, tolkien's ideas changed a lot from time to time... but, seeing that the noldor fought with orcs upon returning to middle earth (in fact, hosts of them that had been doing some heavy mutiplying... which must take at least a little time

), but before the rising of the sun (and man by implication)... it seems to me that it must have been elves... the timing and logistics just doesn't seem to work otherwise

Thorin II · 01-10-2004, 01:59 AM

While we're on the subject, does anyone know the distinction between orcs and goblins? I don't believe Tolkien used the term "goblin" much after The Hobbit, but I'm not sure if the line was ever really drawn. Are goblins a different species, are they small-ish orcs, or something else?

Arien the Maia · 01-10-2004, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by Thorin II
While we're on the subject, does anyone know the distinction between orcs and goblins? I don't believe Tolkien used the term "goblin" much after The Hobbit, but I'm not sure if the line was ever really drawn. Are goblins a different species, are they small-ish orcs, or something else?

they are all the same species which is Orc, but goblins are smaller I believe

Wayfarer · 01-10-2004, 02:12 AM

Orc is to Goblin as Caucasian is to White European.

Arien the Maia · 01-10-2004, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Orc is to Goblin as Caucasian is to White European.

Wayfarer, you clever little Insufferable

Lord Boromir · 01-20-2004, 04:04 AM

I always believed them to be elves, but that's just my opinion.

11-05-2003, 05:30 AM	#1
Eärloth Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: EsCaPiNg FrOm tHiS HeLL iNtO My NiGHtMaReS Posts: 312	Origins of Orcs I can't believe I didn't think of it before...what with all the discussion in the Should we pity orcs? thread: this thread questions the origins of Orcs; to host opinions on whether they were derived from Men or Elves. Knock yourselves out... __________________ Lothên will be found! Telperinai pennar niei rossenen, iéni únótimai be m?ri Aiaro! Man erca óre nio ettuccuba? S? mapuba Ulmo ciria ma be findi-falla; Baradis mentuba i Elestel i en tulia me Annúne pella, nimpei srestanai or helle cúna, helle rácina. Nan merin minia lóte elanar an sire cenin Ennor tellabe. Namárie! Autame Balinórena, Ennórelo autai! Namárie!

11-05-2003, 08:56 AM	#2
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	There's already a thread about this, though it was dead for about a year... http://entmoot.com/showthread.php?s=...s&pagenumber=1 __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

11-06-2003, 10:41 AM	#3
Ulmo Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 76	You might be interested in this article: All About Orcs __________________ 'Legolas' on The Barrow-Downs ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-09-2004, 04:02 PM	#5
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	originally elves... with some man mixed in later on __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

01-09-2004, 05:26 PM	#7
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	true, tolkien's ideas changed a lot from time to time... but, seeing that the noldor fought with orcs upon returning to middle earth (in fact, hosts of them that had been doing some heavy mutiplying... which must take at least a little time ), but before the rising of the sun (and man by implication)... it seems to me that it must have been elves... the timing and logistics just doesn't seem to work otherwise __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

01-09-2004, 03:21 PM	#4
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Twista, here is a thread that might be of help to you.

01-10-2004, 01:59 AM	#8
Thorin II Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 161	While we're on the subject, does anyone know the distinction between orcs and goblins? I don't believe Tolkien used the term "goblin" much after The Hobbit, but I'm not sure if the line was ever really drawn. Are goblins a different species, are they small-ish orcs, or something else? __________________ "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

01-10-2004, 02:12 AM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Orc is to Goblin as Caucasian is to White European. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-20-2004, 04:04 AM	#12
Lord Boromir Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 18	I always believed them to be elves, but that's just my opinion. __________________ "Elen s?*la lúmenn' omentielvo."

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