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Elven Warrior
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Leto II scared me. He was different. I don't think he actually had feeling, I think he was all destiny and was to busy thinking about the future to care about the present. Plus with his life span, he probably just didn't want to get hurt by seeing friends die again and again. It could have been on purpose too, he needed everyone mad enough to want to kill him.
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"The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!” |
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02-17-2003, 09:28 PM
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Eech... I think House Atreides was tolerable, but House Harkonnen was terrible. Absolutely terrible. I got bored halfway through the book, and literally predicted several of the plot 'twists'... it was getting so repetitive. I only hope House Corrino is better.
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02-17-2003, 11:28 PM
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Elven Warrior
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I swore off those stories after the first. I couldn't finish it it was too boring--and that's saying a lot since I read my way through al my barney books yesterday
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"The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!” |
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02-18-2003, 12:59 AM
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the Shrike
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I read Butlerian Jihad. He doesn't have his father's magic touch, does he?
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02-18-2003, 01:07 AM
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I wonder if it would've been better had he done a sort of "History of the Duniverse" the way Christopher did HoME. But I guess he doesn't have as much material to work with.
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08-21-2003, 05:33 AM
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I tried to read Dune but I had trouble getting through it. I thought it was interesting but I got stuck early in Book II. Have I given up just before the best parts; or is it a case of "if it hasn't grabbed you yet it probably won't."?
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08-26-2003, 09:55 AM
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09-02-2003, 05:41 PM
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10-10-2003, 05:52 AM
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Elven Warrior
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i think it was a bit of a bizarre book part politics part SF i do agree that book II was heavy. Paul's family fraked me out a bit especially his sister.
Overall i'm not coverted from fantasy to SF. Why do people always do that, grouping SF and fantasy together even though they're completely different
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10-19-2003, 09:13 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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hey
i have red all the books
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04-05-2004, 06:44 PM
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Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
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That's strange... One of mine is blue.
 
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04-05-2004, 07:15 PM
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the Shrike
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My autographed copy is red.
 C'mere, Cirdan. Hmmm.... I can't decide whether to give you a wedgie, or a noogie. 
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04-05-2004, 07:25 PM
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There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
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04-05-2004, 08:11 PM
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the Shrike
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Mark: I have read and responded to your PM. Never fear, I have come up with the worst punishment imaginable... unless of course you are an old fart suffering from incontinence.
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Elf Lord of the Grey Havens
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Dune seems kind of stupid. There's too much sand. And how come they can't synthesize melange? They have intragalactic travel but no GC/MSs or basic organic chemistry knowledge? Are they just stupid from being wasted all the time? All the characters are a bunch of junkies trapped in a 70's Star Wars Middle Eastern style Disco that never ends. How many freakin' books can one author write about scoring drugs buried in sand. Don't even get me started on the lame giant sand worms. Right. They just plow through the substrate at high speeds and on the suface they move without wriggling or winding and yet have no legs.
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There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
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04-05-2004, 09:39 PM
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the Shrike
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Well of course they're stupid from being wasted all the time! Sheesh! You're just jealous that they're getting more sex than you are.
Wait... I know I'm forgetting something here.... Oh yes.... *unleashes a giant Pants Jihad*
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What is this "sex" thing to which you refer? Hey, if I want to read about empires run by stupid people burnout on drugs I could just read Bush's book. He uses lots of easy words too. How many sizes do the Pants jihad come in? I've lost a bit of weight lately and giant might be too much. I *will* have your drain hair for this!
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There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
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04-24-2004, 05:28 AM
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I loved the first Dune novel. I actually rate it higher than Lord of the Rings *look's over his shoulder*. The next two books ruined it for me a bit though. To me the whole 'prescience' theme was what I found most boring about Dune, and since the next two are almost exclusively about prescience (or about trying to explain prescience), I was never going to enjoy it as much.
Anyway, what's really buggin me is: I actually just finished reading Children of Dune this morning and was wondering why towards the end Leto II called Farad'n 'cousin'? Earlier in the book it 'says' that Farad'n is related to Count Fenring somehow. Does that mean that perhaps Farad'n's father was Feyd Rautha's son who was conceived with Lady Fenring? That would make the two distant cousins... Personally I always thought this was the case. It fits. The Harkonnen genes were very important to the Bene Gesserit and who better to invest those genes into than House Corrino, the heir of which could reclaim the Empire from Muad' Dib or at least ensure the preservation of the Kwisatz Haderach program by mating the Harkonnen heir with an Atreides daughter? Then again how could either know? I can imagine Leto working it out somehow but not Farad'n, and in 'Children' he accepted Leto's 'cousin' acknowledgement as a given...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaddam_IV Hope this helps.
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i'm in the middle of rereading too... i'd forgotten how much detail herbert put into the cultural philosophies of the different organizations
for those who have read it... do you think herbert thought of paul a true messiah (i.e. there is something supernatural behind his accomplishments)... or was it all the manipulations that made him one?
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