Why wasn't the Shire mentioned at all? - Page 2

Bilbo · 12-10-2003, 12:13 PM

Right, let's get this straight.
1: Gollum is from somewhere possibly in the Shire.
2: Bilbo is from the Shire
3: When Bilbo meets Gollum he mentions his name but not the Shire.

If I am correct, then perhaps either
1: Gollum followed Bilbo back towards the Shire (In a bit that Tolkein didn't write)
or
2: Tolkein forgot to write the important line in The Hobbit : 'I'm from the Shire'.

***Valandil*** · 12-10-2003, 02:12 PM

But Gollum was NOT from the Shire.

The third post in this thread really takes care of the question - and it's right out of the second chapter of FotR.

Now... if you want to get into the migratory patterns of early hobbit-like creatures, you'll have to study the appendices and a few other sources.

Beor · 01-25-2004, 04:06 AM

I dont want to interrupt, but I was reading in The Return of the Shadow, from the HOME, and it said that the Hobbit was never supposed to have a sequel, it was supposed to be seperate from the larger myth, but people clamered for it, so he wrote LOTR, and he had to put the Hobbits somewhere. I would imagine that when he wrote the Hobbit, he really didnt think of them being too important to his myth, so he didnt think of a name for their country. I could be wrong too, but oh well.

Tuor of Gondolin · 02-12-2004, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Beor
I dont want to interrupt, but I was reading in The Return of the Shadow, from the HOME, and it said that the Hobbit was never supposed to have a sequel, it was supposed to be seperate from the larger myth, but people clamered for it, so he wrote LOTR, and he had to put the Hobbits somewhere. I would imagine that when he wrote the Hobbit, he really didnt think of them being too important to his myth, so he didnt think of a name for their country. I could be wrong too, but oh well.
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No. You're right. There's an interesting charting of the connection between The Hobbit and LOTR in Humprey Carpenter's "Biography" and detailed development in "Letters."

The Hobbit sequel just sort of got sucked into the legendarium and grew (a bit like topsy).

12-10-2003, 12:13 PM	#21
Bilbo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Last Homely House Posts: 52	I'm going to make some sense Right, let's get this straight. 1: Gollum is from somewhere possibly in the Shire. 2: Bilbo is from the Shire 3: When Bilbo meets Gollum he mentions his name but not the Shire. If I am correct, then perhaps either 1: Gollum followed Bilbo back towards the Shire (In a bit that Tolkein didn't write) or 2: Tolkein forgot to write the important line in The Hobbit : 'I'm from the Shire'. __________________ Does God play The Sims?

01-25-2004, 04:06 AM	#23
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	I dont want to interrupt, but I was reading in The Return of the Shadow, from the HOME, and it said that the Hobbit was never supposed to have a sequel, it was supposed to be seperate from the larger myth, but people clamered for it, so he wrote LOTR, and he had to put the Hobbits somewhere. I would imagine that when he wrote the Hobbit, he really didnt think of them being too important to his myth, so he didnt think of a name for their country. I could be wrong too, but oh well. __________________ Well, there it is.

02-12-2004, 02:55 PM	#24
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Originally posted by Beor I dont want to interrupt, but I was reading in The Return of the Shadow, from the HOME, and it said that the Hobbit was never supposed to have a sequel, it was supposed to be seperate from the larger myth, but people clamered for it, so he wrote LOTR, and he had to put the Hobbits somewhere. I would imagine that when he wrote the Hobbit, he really didnt think of them being too important to his myth, so he didnt think of a name for their country. I could be wrong too, but oh well. ______________________________________ No. You're right. There's an interesting charting of the connection between The Hobbit and LOTR in Humprey Carpenter's "Biography" and detailed development in "Letters." The Hobbit sequel just sort of got sucked into the legendarium and grew (a bit like topsy). __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

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12-10-2003, 02:12 PM	#22
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	But Gollum was NOT from the Shire. The third post in this thread really takes care of the question - and it's right out of the second chapter of FotR. Now... if you want to get into the migratory patterns of early hobbit-like creatures, you'll have to study the appendices and a few other sources.