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Gamigar · 10-13-2003, 08:58 PM

I was thinking, and a question came to my mind. If legolas is the prince of mirkwood, and in the hobbit the elf king of mirkwood, do you think that that was legolas' dad?

***azalea*** · 10-13-2003, 09:40 PM

That's right, Thranduil king of Mirkwood was Legolas' dada.

Elvengirl · 10-13-2003, 10:18 PM

Yes, though in the Hobbit I don't think they ever mention the king as Thranduil.

jsandecker · 10-14-2003, 04:36 PM

I wonder, if J.R.R. Tolkien had already written LOTR, would he have put Legolas in The Hobbit?

Tuor of Gondolin · 10-15-2003, 02:18 PM

originally posted by jsandecker
I wonder, if J.R.R. Tolkien had already written LOTR, would he have put Legolas in The Hobbit?
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Of course. Legolas had been around for a while and was probably a veteran goblin and spider fighter. In LOTR when the three hunters enter Fangorn Forest he says:
"It is old, very old," said the Elf. "So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory. I could have been happy here, If I had come in days of peace."

Keith K · 10-17-2003, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by jsandecker
I wonder, if J.R.R. Tolkien had already written LOTR, would he have put Legolas in The Hobbit?

That must be where Legolas became familiar with Dwarves. He probably met Thorin and party when they were in Mirkwood. It may have helped plant some seeds of understanding that later assisted in developing his friendship with Gimli.

Rosie Gamgee · 10-22-2003, 01:52 PM

That is such a cool thought: that Bilbo might have seen Legolas in the elf-king's halls. The immortality of the elves and their changelessness is such a neat tie between The Sil, and The Hobbit, and LOTR. Hats off to Tolkien (yet again!!).. or hoods, if you prefer.

Tolman Muggworts · 10-24-2003, 06:21 PM

Forgive me for disagreeing about the changelessness of the elves but I've read the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, and the Lord of the rings and I find an almost entirely different description of them. In the Hobbit they are very happy and gleeful, whereas in the Silmarillion they are grim and at many times melancholly. I admit they were at ceaseless war in the Sil. but this doesn't convey their changelessness.

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If I were in the books I'd probably be a hobbit.

10-13-2003, 08:58 PM	#1
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	elves I was thinking, and a question came to my mind. If legolas is the prince of mirkwood, and in the hobbit the elf king of mirkwood, do you think that that was legolas' dad? __________________ The road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began Now far ahead the road has gone And I must follow if I can Pursuing it with eager feet Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet And wither then I can not say

10-13-2003, 10:18 PM	#3
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	Yes, though in the Hobbit I don't think they ever mention the king as Thranduil. __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

10-14-2003, 04:36 PM	#4
jsandecker Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 26	I wonder, if J.R.R. Tolkien had already written LOTR, would he have put Legolas in The Hobbit? __________________ "'Hrum, Hoom,' murmured the voice, a deep voice like a very deep woodwind instrument. 'Very odd indeed! Do not be hasty, that is my motto...'" -The Two Towers "Achoo! Sorry, I'm allergic to bullsh!t." -Will Smith, I ROBOT

10-15-2003, 02:18 PM	#5
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	originally posted by jsandecker I wonder, if J.R.R. Tolkien had already written LOTR, would he have put Legolas in The Hobbit? _________________________________________________ Of course. Legolas had been around for a while and was probably a veteran goblin and spider fighter. In LOTR when the three hunters enter Fangorn Forest he says: "It is old, very old," said the Elf. "So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory. I could have been happy here, If I had come in days of peace." __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 10-15-2003 at 02:54 PM.

10-22-2003, 01:52 PM	#7
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	That is such a cool thought: that Bilbo might have seen Legolas in the elf-king's halls. The immortality of the elves and their changelessness is such a neat tie between The Sil, and The Hobbit, and LOTR. Hats off to Tolkien (yet again!!).. or hoods, if you prefer. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

10-13-2003, 09:40 PM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	That's right, Thranduil king of Mirkwood was Legolas' dada.

10-24-2003, 06:21 PM	#8
Tolman Muggworts Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: planet earth and occasionaly neptune Posts: 19	Forgive me for disagreeing about the changelessness of the elves but I've read the Hobbit, the Silmarillion, and the Lord of the rings and I find an almost entirely different description of them. In the Hobbit they are very happy and gleeful, whereas in the Silmarillion they are grim and at many times melancholly. I admit they were at ceaseless war in the Sil. but this doesn't convey their changelessness. _____________________________________ If I were in the books I'd probably be a hobbit. Last edited by Tolman Muggworts : 10-30-2003 at 08:39 PM.

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