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Old 05-26-2002, 01:15 PM   #1
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right im not even gonna try and understand that
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Old 05-26-2002, 01:20 PM   #2
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What's there to understand? By bringing/helping to bring the dark side to the fore, he is counterbalancing to good side, ie like the scales of justice.

Of course, it could be that he brings balance by destroying first the good side, and THEN the bad side (Jedi massacre (pure speculation here), and then the Emperor, and being "saved".)

OR, it could be that he brings balance by having Luke and Leia. Both of which act in the rebellion in a HUGE way. Luke by saving Anakin, and Leia by acting as the catalyst, and helming the rebellion....
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Well, if he kills most of the Jedi, what are left are Yoda and Obi Wan for the good side and him and th Emperor on the Dark. The first 2 join with the force and he kills the Emperor and then has a change of heart and joins the force as well.

Perhaps it could be that most of the force (residing in midichlorians) is now (except for Luke and Leia) liberated from any controlling Jedi or Sith to spread from living thing to living thing.
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Old 05-26-2002, 01:33 PM   #4
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When they bagan talking about that balance in Epi I I immediately thought that too -- the scales seemed tipped to the side of good guys, so balance would mean tipping it toward the dark side. So I thought why would they want to train a guy in the Jedi arts who has that as his destiny? Then I thought well maybe they hoped to mold him to the good side before the dark side could claim him. These were just my random thoughts on the matter. I had also thought of the Luke/Leia thing, but I han't thought about the killing of the Emperor -- that's a good theory. But that still doesn't go with what I would see as "balance". Hmm.
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Interesting theory about balance. But the Force is not just the Jedi, they are “only” wielders of the Force. The Jedi may work towards the Light side, but were their influence upon the Republic so pervasive that it made it clearly unbalanced towards the Light side?
For what I saw in the movies I’m under the impression that that is not the case. Even with their numbers they seem to be hard pressed to avoid the Republic fall into anarchy.
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Old 06-25-2002, 02:07 PM   #6
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Very good point -- I think you're right, it means all of the
Universe, not just the Jedi.
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Old 06-25-2002, 03:53 PM   #7
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Nononono! you got it all wrong...! Vader brings the force back into balance by killing the all powerful Emperor, and by returning to the Light Side at the same time. This destroys the Dark Side at sets the force into balance because now there is no more fighiting, no more evil. Now because there is only one 'team' one the force, its balanced. Now because there is no Dark Side fighting aginst them, all the Good jedi have it balanced. Its kinda like one of those common sence things.... no im just kidding. But really thats how it is with the balance.

on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work. it was one SIFA-DIAS not Qui-Gon Jinn! We'll just have to wait and see exactly who it is. Though if it WAS Qui-Gon that would be quite interesting!
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on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work
It wouldn't work coz Obi-wan seemed to know who Sifa-Dias was so it couldn't have been Qui-Gon who was his master.

There can't be balance if there's only one side, its like a see-saw if all the weight is one side the saw tips, the good and dark side have to be evenly balanaced to bring balance. I reckon Anakin had to go to the dark side to make eveything balanced coz he's so powerful he is equivilent to several Jedi on the good side
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I thought count Dooku used the name of the dead Sifo Dyas to convince the Kaminoans they were building the clone army for the republic. Jango Fett was hired by a guy called Tyranus and at the end Darth Sidous calls count Dooku Tyranus. So I think Dooku arranged everything to get Darth Sidious an army.
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Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order?

He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name?
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Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order?

He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name?
Perhaps. But Obi Wan appeared to know him as Count Dooku, and he had a pretty public persona.
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My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:22 PM   #13
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My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.
Actually Anakin brought balance to the force, after his betrayal the jedi were whittled down to two Jedi and two Sith = balance after Vader's death and the Empreror's death, the force was no longer in balance. Fast forward 30 years and the jedi under Luke have repopulated again the force is no longer in balance, the last SW book I read is basically the rise of Jacen Solo as the next sith lord who will bring the force into balance again. I'm sure you can all see the vicious circle here.
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Of chorse one theory that has not been brought up is that perhaps the jedi are not the good guys but insted trying to acheve balance.

That would explain why the sith (Defanate bad-guys) are such a threat, why the jedi side of things is never refered to in the movies as 'the light side', and why the jedi are never the agressors.

I kinda like this theory becuase that would mean there would be light-side wielders, likely mistaken for sith due to their agressive pursuit of ending the sith.

(Realy that doesn't work that well)
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Of chorse one theory that has not been brought up is that perhaps the jedi are not the good guys but insted trying to acheve balance.

That would explain why the sith (Defanate bad-guys) are such a threat, why the jedi side of things is never refered to in the movies as 'the light side', and why the jedi are never the agressors.

I kinda like this theory becuase that would mean there would be light-side wielders, likely mistaken for sith due to their agressive pursuit of ending the sith.

(Realy that doesn't work that well)
Well the'yre both trying to achieve balance. Its like Obi-Wan says "it all depends on your point of view". In terms of a story there has to be a good guy/bad guy, but ultimately they're saying there is no such thing; there is simply the attempt to find balance, the yin and yang.

This is the deeper meaning in SW, its beyond good and evil, it totally fits this post modern world we live in, now the whole pattern is more visible in the EU, but given how the force is a blend of eastern tao, and Aurelius's LOGOS I would say thats where Lucas was going.

If you look at the entire history (of SW) you see this vicious circle, the Sith come to power and dominate then the Jedi destroy the Sith, or almost destroy them, then the sith come back, as far as I can tell the force was only in balance for the few hours that only two of each order existed.
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Sifo-Dyas was a mysterious Jedi Master who served as a member of the Jedi High Council during the last decades of the Galactic Republic.


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Life

Sifo-Dyas was once a good friend of fellow Master Dooku, and had the gift of precognition. He predicted the coming war, and knew the Galactic Republic would soon face dark times.

Sifo-Dyas secretly commissioned a clone army on Kamino, ostensibly to defend the Republic. Prior to this, Dooku had left the Jedi Order, and had fallen in league with Darth Sidious. He was told by the Sith Master about Sifo-Dyas' actions, and Sidious also revealed that they could use the clone army for their own ends. As a final test of his allegiance to the dark side of the Force, Dooku murdered Sifo-Dyas and took control of the project for himself. It was Sidious' true intention to use Sifo-Dyas only as a dead-end cover for Palpatine's order of a clone army.

Legacy

Dooku kept his old friend's body frozen for years until the InterGalactic Banking Clan initiated their plan to turn the Kaleesh warlord, General Grievous, into a great cyborg supreme strategist for the Separatist droid armies. Dooku used Sifo-Dyas for a blood transfusion for the General. Once Grievous' transformation into a cyborg had been successfully completed, Dooku gave him the very special gift of Master Sifo-Dyas' own blue-bladed lightsaber.

When Obi-Wan Kenobi traveled to Kamino to investigate the source of the dart that silenced Padmé's attempted killer Zam Wesell, the Kaminoan prime minister Lama Su informed Obi Wan that Sifo-Dyas had ordered the creation of a clone army on Kamino at the request of the Senate, in order to help the Galactic Republic. The Jedi Council was not aware of the order until Kenobi informed them of it after he met with the Kaminoans.

In 22 BBY, Sifo-Dyas' army was eventually revealed and used at the behest of the Galactic Republic. Three years later, it would be used to destroy the Jedi in accordance with Order 66.

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And this info comes from where?
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And this info comes from where?
It's canon. Check Wookiepedia.
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I thought that canon only applied to what was actually shown in the movies.
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I thought that canon only applied to what was actually shown in the movies.
Well, that's true, from a certain point of view.

There are actually different levels of canon in the Star Wars 'verse. It's true that this information, which can be found in the lead in book to Ep. III, Labyrinth of Evil, is of a lower level of canon than the films, but it's still canon. It's just subject to the higher levels of canon, like the films. But since it doesn't contradict anything in George Lucas' films, it's canon.

Apparently, according to Wookiepedia, George Lucas originally intended that Sifo-Dyas was simply a false identity for Sidious. But since Lucas obviously didn't use this idea for the film, as Masters on the Council did know of Sifo-Dyas and he was a real Jedi, the back story laid out in Labyrinth of Evil seems to make the most sense.

The idea that Gui-Gon could have ordered it is not bad, but I do not think Gui-Gon was that radical, personally, nor so deceptive as to do something like that under a false name. He would have at least owned up to his own actions by using his own name, I think.

If you don't like the "canon" version of who Sifo-Dyas is, I would sympathize. There are things written by people other than Lucas that would technically be canon that I think is just plain dumb and refuse to see as canon. For instance, the idea of there being creatures that are separate or "torn" from the Force and therefor aren't affected by it. That's just silly.

Check out this post at Wookiepedia on what is Canon, if you're interested.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon
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