The Death Star

[mithrand1r]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I don't.

Why? Because it is presented in Episode 4 as something new, something original, and that wouldn't have been the case if it had been around for or twenty or forty years before that.

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

[me9996]

Originally Posted by mithrand1r

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

What I ment was that if there was no-
Oops, time to go!

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by mithrand1r

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

There isn't likely to be any hinting about the Death Star being a secret project. They already did that in "Attack of the Clones"; it would be redundant to have the same thing in both. I feel that they will show the beginning of the construction.

One point I would like to make is that there is a significant amount of time between Episodes 4 and 5. Their base on Yavin 4 was attacked and evacuated. Han went to Ord Mandel with Leia during that period. A new major Rebel instillation was prepared on Hoth. Perhaps it existed before, but even if it did, they would have had to expand on it in order to make it capable of being the main headquarters for the Rebel Alliance. Several things happened. I don't know how long this period was; my Star Wars timeline is lost somewhere in the attic. If only someone showed up who had a timeline, that would really solve some of these problems .

The Empire was trying to develop a secret battlestation. Their project was huge, and they probably had to work around the Imperial Senate. That would be a bit of a challenge. With the Second Death Star, dictatorships were in order rather then beaurocracies. That would doubtless have simplified things a lot.

The Imperial workers were under more pressure to move fast with the second Death Star. While in Episode 4 there are no indications of people being under serious pressure to build fast, in Episode 6 there are many such indications. The commander's statements, "my men are working as fast as they can," and his visible fear, are all evidences of the pressure and fear he and his men were under.

My main argument for their being able to construct the first Death Star more swiftly though will wait till my next post . . .

[Lief Erikson]

My main point is the technology. With the first Death Star, the technology would have been entirely new. They would have had to develop entirely new machines to develop pieces of equipment that had never been constructed before. Thousands of new instruments and technologies had to be put into place and fitted together. Thousands and thousands. It's an extremely difficult job. The prototype of anything is longer then the one that follows. With the second Death Star, the technology was there. It had already been created, been implemented. Shortcuts could be taken. The process was known. The machines that made these utterly new pieces already existed and could easily be reactivated to start a new Death Star. It's just an incredibly different job, moving from a completely new, impossibly intricate piece of technology, to repeating a job that had already been done. Obviously the second one was more powerful, more accurate. The technology for the superlaser had been enhanced over those 25 or so years. But the primary item was not changed.

[Bombadillo]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

There isn't likely to be any hinting about the Death Star being a secret project. They already did that in "Attack of the Clones"; it would be redundant to have the same thing in both. I feel that they will show the beginning of the construction.

I hope they show it! And the Imperial March better be playing louder and more gloriously than ever!

At some point in the movie, they should definately blast the Imperial March. It's all about the federation and the sith rising to power anyway.

Leif, you make a lot of good points about how Death Star II was assembled more quickly. And I found I downloadable timeline here but it's too late on a schoolnight for me to look for the info.

[Beor]

What about the contractors on the death star?

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Originally Posted by Beor

What about the contractors on the death star?

Watch Clerks for the answer Beor...

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Beor

What about the contractors on the death star?

Er... those bug things from episode II?

P.S.
Still haveing troble with the 90 second rule...

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Originally Posted by me9996

Er... those bug things from episode II?

P.S.
Still haveing troble with the 90 second rule...

Blue Collar Man: Excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt, but what are you talking about?
Randal Graves: The ending of "Return of the Jedi".
Dante Hicks: My friend here is trying to convince me that any independent contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when it was destroyed by the Rebels.

From Clerks by Kevin Smith

Mr. Blue Collar will give the answer if ya watch the film.... which is one of the greatest of all time, IMHO!

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

"From the bridge of a star destroyer, two Sith Lords stand with a sector governor named Tarkin and survey the growing skeleton of a spherical battle station the size of a moon..." ~ An exerpt from the book STAR WARS: Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover.

So it would seem that the Death Star will be making its apperance in Episode III, at the very end for a few seconds. This incident, in the book, is on the last page, nearly the last paragraph.

[Lief Erikson]

How is it that a book of Episode III is out before the movie?

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Like I said in another SW thread, with this being the final Star Wars the interest in buying merchandise for the film would decline after the films release. Undoubtedly George Lucas didn't want to lose those thousands of dollars of profit so brough out all of his merchandise; books, games, clothes, and toys all about a month before the films release. Furthermore everyone with the slightets deductive reasoning knows excatlly whats going to happen in this final film so bringing the book out before the film isn't giving much away.

[Lenya]

It sucks I think he should have waited. The movie has to be first.

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Well all you have to do then is just not read the book Lenya...

Also, if I'm not mistaken, I think Episode I released the book first as well. Not sure about EP II.

[Lenya]

I know, I'm not going to read it. I didn't know about Ep I though.

[Elessar the Elfstone]

yay *does happy dance* another one of my threads is still going on after over a year I started it on 10/1/04 it's now 14/5/05!!

PS at the end of the ROTS book it says we see obi wan riding off into the distance on tatooine and then vader, emporer and grand moff tarken on vader's super star destroyer watching the death star's construction!

PPS also for anyone wondering about time differences in the time it took to create the death star, when they were first creating it it was new never seen before technology so the had to work slowly to make sure everything worked when it finished the second death star however was made in about ten years thats half the time it took them to build the first death star this is because they knew what they were doing second time round

[Lenya]

Can't wait for the new movie!!! I've been waiting for this for 5 years

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Originally Posted by Elessar the Elfstone

PS at the end of the ROTS book it says we see obi wan riding off into the distance on tatooine and then vader, emporer and grand moff tarken on vader's super star destroyer watching the death star's construction!

I have that line quoted in my post # 30...