Runes on map

Tiggy Tamal · 01-12-2002, 05:44 PM

I need a little help with the runes on the map. I tried to translate them, using the runes in Lord of the Ring. But I get only garbage as a result.

Are the runes on the map a different type than described in LotR?

ringbearer · 01-13-2002, 12:19 AM

I assume you are talking about Thror's map...?

Lightice · 01-13-2002, 06:24 AM

If I remember correctly, they weren't runes of Middle Earth, but scandinavic runes, as Tolkien hadn't finished languages of Middle Earth while he made the Hobbït.

Tiggy Tamal · 01-13-2002, 01:30 PM

yes, i was talking about thror's map.

ann · 01-21-2002, 10:39 PM

The runes on Thror's map are just old English runes, and that makes it easy to translate if you just compare what Gandalf or Elrond say in English to the runes on the map. They aren't at all like the cirth, because I tried to translate them that way and drove my self nuts before I realized they weren't the same.

Lightice · 01-22-2002, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ann
The runes on Thror's map are just old English runes, and that makes it easy to translate if you just compare what Gandalf or Elrond say in English to the runes on the map. They aren't at all like the cirth, because I tried to translate them that way and drove my self nuts before I realized they weren't the same.

Old english runes=Old scandinavian runes. That's becouse english are actually norman, who took over Britannia somewhere at 11th century.
Those runes definately weren't celtic Ogham.

Ñólendil · 01-23-2002, 07:46 PM

The ones next to the pointing hand say:

FIVE
FEET HIGH
THE DOOR AN
D THREE MAY
WALK ABRE
AST: .TH. TH.

The Runes under 'The Desolation of Smaug' say:

STAND BY THE GREY ST
ONE WHEN THE THRUSH KN
OCKS AND THE SETTING S
UN WITH THE LAST LIGHT
OF DURINS DAY WILL SH
INE UPON THE KEYHOLE

The rune underneath in the box with two dots on either side is for 'TH', I guess for Thror.

Bregalad · 02-17-2002, 12:14 AM

The alphabet on the map in the Hobbit is neither English nor Scandinavian. It's called Elder Futhark and it's the oldest known Germanic Runic alphabet. You can download a font of it at:
http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/fonts/
And there is a pretty version of it at:
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edarrenv/tolkein.html
Mac users go to:
http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/tolkien.html

Laurelyn · 02-17-2002, 08:23 PM

Ooh, comp. fonts! Yay! Nobody asked for my opinion, but hantalye, Bregalad!

TinuvielChild · 04-01-2002, 09:02 PM

i had trouble downloading the fonts, help please??

TinuvielChild · 04-01-2002, 09:31 PM

does anyone know where i might find a font of the Tengwar script that is on the Ring (with the tails)? i already have the normal Tengwar fonts, but i was wondering if anyone knows where to find the one with the tails like on the Ring, i thought that looked so cool!

Wulažg · 04-12-2002, 04:01 PM

You should be able to find them on the university of Oregon bavel project site.

01-12-2002, 05:44 PM	#1
Tiggy Tamal Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3	Runes on map I need a little help with the runes on the map. I tried to translate them, using the runes in Lord of the Ring. But I get only garbage as a result. Are the runes on the map a different type than described in LotR?

01-13-2002, 12:19 AM	#2
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	I assume you are talking about Thror's map...? __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

01-21-2002, 10:39 PM	#5
ann Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 13	The runes on Thror's map are just old English runes, and that makes it easy to translate if you just compare what Gandalf or Elrond say in English to the runes on the map. They aren't at all like the cirth, because I tried to translate them that way and drove my self nuts before I realized they weren't the same. __________________ "This quest may be attempted by the weak with as much hope as the strong. Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere." -Elrond

01-23-2002, 07:46 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The ones next to the pointing hand say: FIVE FEET HIGH THE DOOR AN D THREE MAY WALK ABRE AST: .TH. TH. The Runes under 'The Desolation of Smaug' say: STAND BY THE GREY ST ONE WHEN THE THRUSH KN OCKS AND THE SETTING S UN WITH THE LAST LIGHT OF DURINS DAY WILL SH INE UPON THE KEYHOLE The rune underneath in the box with two dots on either side is for 'TH', I guess for Thror. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-17-2002, 12:14 AM	#8
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	The alphabet on the map in the Hobbit is neither English nor Scandinavian. It's called Elder Futhark and it's the oldest known Germanic Runic alphabet. You can download a font of it at: http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/fonts/ And there is a pretty version of it at: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edarrenv/tolkein.html Mac users go to: http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/tolkien.html __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

01-13-2002, 06:24 AM	#3
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	If I remember correctly, they weren't runes of Middle Earth, but scandinavic runes, as Tolkien hadn't finished languages of Middle Earth while he made the Hobbït.

01-13-2002, 01:30 PM	#4
Tiggy Tamal Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3	yes, i was talking about thror's map.

02-17-2002, 08:23 PM	#9
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	Ooh, comp. fonts! Yay! Nobody asked for my opinion, but hantalye, Bregalad! __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

04-01-2002, 09:02 PM	#10
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	i had trouble downloading the fonts, help please?? __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-01-2002, 09:31 PM	#11
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	does anyone know where i might find a font of the Tengwar script that is on the Ring (with the tails)? i already have the normal Tengwar fonts, but i was wondering if anyone knows where to find the one with the tails like on the Ring, i thought that looked so cool! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-12-2002, 04:01 PM	#12
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	You should be able to find them on the university of Oregon bavel project site.

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