11-05-2001, 06:10 AM | #1 |
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From jester to scholar
In your view, is there anything in The Hobbit that points to Bilbo Bagger later in life becoming a great scholar on Elven lore and languages?
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11-06-2001, 12:07 PM | #2 | |
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Re: From jester to scholar
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11-06-2001, 12:09 PM | #3 |
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Re: Re: From jester to scholar
Something happened when I posted the first time. It appeared twice. I don't know what it was.
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11-06-2001, 02:31 PM | #4 |
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Aragorn helped Bilbo write a poem in Rivendell which was later sung by Bilbo in a party in Rivendell, he would have also helped Bilbo in the writings about the Rangers and the regions of Middle-Earth.
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11-06-2001, 05:12 PM | #5 |
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What made me post the question was, if you didn´t know they where the same person, IMHO nobody would have guessed it.
The way Bilbo is pictured in The Hobbit bears some very small resemblance to the person appearing in A Long Expected Party in LotR. But it is hard to see him evolve into the scholar. Which he actually did become! He 'founded' the Red Book of Westmarch. See 'Note on the Shire records' in Prologue in LotR. Veeery fascinating... |
11-11-2001, 02:30 AM | #6 |
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In the Hobbit Bilbo did have a reverence for things greater and more beautiful than himself, but it was hidden deep down -- and it only comes out during his adventure (and appears to be expanded). You have to go to Unfinished Tales to discover that Bilbo was actually visiting the Elves in his land and keeping up with their calendar before his adventures with Thorin & Company, but by the time Gandalf came to his door he had bottled it up inside. At any rate sixty years divide the Bilbo of The Hobbit from the Bilbo of the beginning of the LR narrative. That alone will provide some excuse for different character, even when his ennoblement and possession of a magic Ring is not considered.
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About the Ring: can anyone imagine that it even had a positive influence of sorts on Bilbo? (At least I have always wondered that Bilbo seemed to be so resistant to any bad influences.) |
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12-17-2001, 10:52 PM | #8 |
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i think bilbo was just so pure of heart and naive about the power of the ring that it couldnt penetrate to the evil part of him
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12-17-2001, 11:06 PM | #9 |
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In my opintion any apparent resistance to bad influences ought to be attributed to Bilbo's Hobbit-nature rather than the One Ring, which had some pretty bad influences of its own.
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12-18-2001, 07:28 PM | #11 |
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The best indicator of the influence that the One Ring had on Bilbo is the fact that from the time he found it he lied about how he had obtained it.
As for his morals, note in the Fellowship Frodo tell us that Bilbo gave away the treasure taken from the Trolls because it was stolen from others by the Trolls. How many of us would give away money that we obtained by eliminating a criminal because it was from illegal activities?
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12-19-2001, 01:54 AM | #12 |
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Well, not very many indeed. It was a very good thing for Bilbo to do, I agree with you, but let's remember he was already rich and after the Quest of Erebor he had become richer via his share of the Dragon-gold (which was much and relatively not much). Bilbo was very generous with his money, but I just want to get across the point that it wasn't the case of a poor or middle-class man giving away everything he had.
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12-19-2001, 05:36 PM | #13 |
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Does anyone know if Bilbo started his research in Elven lore and languages before leaving the Shire and ending up in Imladris?
I think he used to meet with travelling Elves?
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12-19-2001, 06:07 PM | #14 |
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i think he probably knew a little about elves before leaving the shire.
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