William Shakespeare - Page 3

***Khamûl*** · 11-03-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenya

I think A Midsummer Night's Dream is the wierdest play he ever wrote. It is full of wierd characters doing wierd stuff. But I liked it

Here's my notes for that play as taken during Lit class.

They're all idiots. The court laughs at Pyramus and Thisbe, the faeries laugh at the court, and we laugh at everyone. So everyone's stupid.

That's almost a direct quote from my professor, too.

I'm working on As You Like It right now.

***Valandil*** · 11-03-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sun-star

I remember reading somewhere that Tolkien, when he read Macbeth as a child, was very disappointed that the woods didn't really move on Dunsinane - and that was why he made the Ents do it in LOTR

...

He didn't like it, so he did it better, huh?

sun-star · 11-03-2004, 03:53 PM

It's a pretty brave writer who thinks he can improve on Shakespeare

***Valandil*** · 11-03-2004, 06:41 PM

Perhaps... and yet, in a sense - doesn't that just seem like the kind of thing likely to only come from the imagination of a child?

***Rían*** · 11-03-2004, 08:44 PM

Starting on Twelfth Night - funny!

Count Comfect · 11-04-2004, 12:46 AM

Everyone thinks they can improve on Shakespeare. Only a few have the hubris to publish it

***Khamûl*** · 11-04-2004, 01:33 AM

I've finished As You Like It. Now I've just got to figure out why Rosalind succeeded when Juliet (of Romeo and Juliet) failed. Before tomorrow. When I have to write an essay on it.

Forkbeard · 11-04-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Khamûl

I've finished As You Like It. Now I've just got to figure out why Rosalind succeeded when Juliet (of Romeo and Juliet) failed. Before tomorrow. When I have to write an essay on it.

All about genre--one's a tragedy (everything must end badly) and one's a comedy (everything's wrapped up happily)--all about the Wheel of Lady Fortune and Aristotle's definitions of comedy and tragedy in I THINK the Poetics....

Count Comfect · 11-04-2004, 01:30 PM

In terms of character, because Roz relies on herself and Juliet relies on the Friar and the Nurse. Rosalind organizes her entire relationship/marriage on her own (in her role as "Ganymede") while Juliet just sits at home hoping it will work out.

Count Comfect · 11-04-2004, 03:46 PM

Just came back from near-catatonia in the Widener stacks here at Harvard. Shelveses and shelveses of Shhhhhhhhhakesssssssssspeare, precious... *gollum*

sun-star · 11-04-2004, 04:48 PM

I know how you feel. I went to the Bodleian Library in Oxford for the first time today *drools*

(*stops drooling because it gets you kicked out of the library*)

Count Comfect · 11-04-2004, 05:14 PM

EXACTLY!! *passes out in anticipation of spending time "studying"*

***Khamûl*** · 11-09-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

In terms of character, because Roz relies on herself and Juliet relies on the Friar and the Nurse. Rosalind organizes her entire relationship/marriage on her own (in her role as "Ganymede") while Juliet just sits at home hoping it will work out.

According to my essay, Rosalind remains more level-headed in her pursuit of love. She makes sure it's really love and not just an unfortunate case of hormones. And that's why she succeeds where Juliet fails.

Count Comfect · 11-09-2004, 01:28 AM

Good point. Get a grade?

Elanor the hobbit · 11-09-2004, 01:33 AM

Hey Shakespeareans. I love Shakespeare. In my Shakespeare class in high school I won a prize for being the Most Obsessed With Shakespeare. It was a Shakespeare trivia game which is not very good. I don't think anyone would actually play it. Some of the trivia is interesting though. In skits I played a schizophrenic grave digger and a creepy Caliban. I've been told I read iambic pentameter well. That's something, I guess. I'm not a good physical actress though.

In my Shakespeare class at college I directed, costume and set-designed, and played Pyramus in a little skit version of Pyramus and Thisbe. Weird thing: my professor was actually named William O. Shakespeare! Of course if you were named that you'd have to be an English professor! His son is also named William and is an actor. Sadly, the professor was very ugly and had a boring, monotonous voice. But he did know his Shakespeare. (I hope he never reads this...)

I have read all the comedies, several of the tragedies, and a few of the histories. Also several sonnets.

My favorites in order of favoritism: Twelfth Night, King Lear, the Tempest, Much Ado, Midsummer, Hamlet, and R&J. I think King Lear is an underappreciated play. I love Edgar. If Edgar was real I would marry him.

Plays I hate: All's Well That Ends Well. It doesn't end well and it's disgusting. Prove me wrong.

Um, I hate parts of Hamlet and R&J, but not the whole thing. There are other plays that I don't exactly like, but I don't remember hating them.

::waves to Fat Middle:: Hey there! Shakespeare's cool.

Count Comfect · 11-09-2004, 01:50 AM

Umm...defending All's Well... um, that's HARD... Well, Helena gets what she wants, yes? That's about it. Not a happy play.

Lear is a very good play, but I'd hardly say "unappreciated" - I've read several critics who call it on a par with the Bible as one of the most important works of literature ever...

Oh, and hi! Welcome! Great to have another Shakespeare/Tolkien nut to talk to

BeardofPants · 11-09-2004, 03:12 AM

Erm... check her sign-up date... she's an 'oldbie'.

So ... uh... welcome back person I've only ever seen in the archives!

Count Comfect · 11-09-2004, 10:50 AM

Oldbie noted. Number of posts also noted.
However, I guess that means Welcome... back.

***Fat middle*** · 11-09-2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

Oldbie noted. Number of posts also noted.
However, I guess that means Welcome... back.

She usually used her other username "Elanor" so when we moved to vBulletin we set the Elanor's date an post count to their true values, but didn't chage the "Elanor the hobbit" one. The process was not automatic.

In fact he joined the moot before me. October or november 1999, I think.

*waves to Elanor* Hi again. It seems you found your way to the thread

***Khamûl*** · 11-10-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

Good point. Get a grade?

I got an A.

11-03-2004, 03:53 PM	#43
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	It's a pretty brave writer who thinks he can improve on Shakespeare __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

11-03-2004, 06:41 PM	#44
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11-04-2004, 12:46 AM	#46
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Everyone thinks they can improve on Shakespeare. Only a few have the hubris to publish it __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-04-2004, 01:33 AM	#47
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I've finished As You Like It. Now I've just got to figure out why Rosalind succeeded when Juliet (of Romeo and Juliet) failed. Before tomorrow. When I have to write an essay on it. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

11-04-2004, 01:30 PM	#49
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	In terms of character, because Roz relies on herself and Juliet relies on the Friar and the Nurse. Rosalind organizes her entire relationship/marriage on her own (in her role as "Ganymede") while Juliet just sits at home hoping it will work out. __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-04-2004, 03:46 PM	#50
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Just came back from near-catatonia in the Widener stacks here at Harvard. Shelveses and shelveses of Shhhhhhhhhakesssssssssspeare, precious... gollum __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-04-2004, 04:48 PM	#51
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I know how you feel. I went to the Bodleian Library in Oxford for the first time today drools (stops drooling because it gets you kicked out of the library) __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

11-04-2004, 05:14 PM	#52
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	EXACTLY!! passes out in anticipation of spending time "studying" __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-09-2004, 01:28 AM	#54
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Good point. Get a grade? __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-09-2004, 01:33 AM	#55
Elanor the hobbit Sapling Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: hobbit hole Posts: 12	Hey Shakespeareans. I love Shakespeare. In my Shakespeare class in high school I won a prize for being the Most Obsessed With Shakespeare. It was a Shakespeare trivia game which is not very good. I don't think anyone would actually play it. Some of the trivia is interesting though. In skits I played a schizophrenic grave digger and a creepy Caliban. I've been told I read iambic pentameter well. That's something, I guess. I'm not a good physical actress though. In my Shakespeare class at college I directed, costume and set-designed, and played Pyramus in a little skit version of Pyramus and Thisbe. Weird thing: my professor was actually named William O. Shakespeare! Of course if you were named that you'd have to be an English professor! His son is also named William and is an actor. Sadly, the professor was very ugly and had a boring, monotonous voice. But he did know his Shakespeare. (I hope he never reads this...) I have read all the comedies, several of the tragedies, and a few of the histories. Also several sonnets. My favorites in order of favoritism: Twelfth Night, King Lear, the Tempest, Much Ado, Midsummer, Hamlet, and R&J. I think King Lear is an underappreciated play. I love Edgar. If Edgar was real I would marry him. Plays I hate: All's Well That Ends Well. It doesn't end well and it's disgusting. Prove me wrong. Um, I hate parts of Hamlet and R&J, but not the whole thing. There are other plays that I don't exactly like, but I don't remember hating them. ::waves to Fat Middle:: Hey there! Shakespeare's cool. __________________ Elanor the friendly hobbit who draws cool mazes: Segovia Mazes

11-09-2004, 01:50 AM	#56
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Umm...defending All's Well... um, that's HARD... Well, Helena gets what she wants, yes? That's about it. Not a happy play. Lear is a very good play, but I'd hardly say "unappreciated" - I've read several critics who call it on a par with the Bible as one of the most important works of literature ever... Oh, and hi! Welcome! Great to have another Shakespeare/Tolkien nut to talk to __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

11-09-2004, 03:12 AM	#57
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Erm... check her sign-up date... she's an 'oldbie'. So ... uh... welcome back person I've only ever seen in the archives! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-09-2004, 10:50 AM	#58
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Oldbie noted. Number of posts also noted. However, I guess that means Welcome... back. __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

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