Paradise Lost

Brill · 02-17-2004, 12:14 PM

I am having to read this poem for the Literature curriculum at my local college, and although I haven't finished, I like it alot!

The lines don't necessarily rhyme all the time, as is stereotypical of poems, and the lyrics don't always end at the end of the line, but that's fine as well.

I think the language Milton used is excellent, it gives you clear picture in your head, especially when Raphael is talking about the battles between Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and the other angels. I have no head for war terms so it helps that he didn't use them!

I was wondering if anyone else had ever read this? What of Paradise Regained (Is that the correct title? I could be wrong)?

Forkbeard · 02-24-2004, 04:36 PM

This is a great piece of literature!!!! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it.

I don't think Paradis Regained is as good, but that may be just me.

GrayMouser · 02-28-2004, 03:13 PM

Yeah,wonderful poetry (though I agree with C.S. Lewis about the last chapters being "an untransmuted lump of futurity" i.e. boring)

And always remember:

"Malt does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man."
A.E. Housman

sun-star · 02-29-2004, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by GrayMouser
And always remember:

"Malt does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man."
A.E. Housman

OK, not a great contribution to the debate on my part - but that is a good quote

Brill · 03-21-2004, 03:51 AM

Lol, yes, I enjoyed it thoroughly... and I completely agree about the last chapter.

I have, however, started the Inferno-- by Dante, now, and I like that as well... although very different in it's premise then Paradise Lost, for certain.

Forkbeard · 03-21-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Brill
Lol, yes, I enjoyed it thoroughly... and I completely agree about the last chapter.

I have, however, started the Inferno-- by Dante, now, and I like that as well... although very different in it's premise then Paradise Lost, for certain.

Oh my, as much as I like Milton, I ADORE DANTE!! The Comedia is fabulous, truly a high point in European literature. I can not praise it enough! How far have you gotten?

Forkbeard

Brill · 03-27-2004, 12:32 AM

I am ashamed to say not far, I have been rather busy with goings on and *evil* school.

So, I'm basically at the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of it!

Beren3000 · 06-02-2004, 02:19 PM

Paradise Lost RULES!!! It's simply the best book I've ever read (even before LOTR)

Does anyone know any links to Paradise Regainedon the net? It's too short to be in a book on its own and the only book I found it in is "The complete works of John Milton" which happens to be a bit bulky. So can anyone refer me to such a link?

dawningoftime · 06-03-2004, 10:46 PM

Pardise Regained online

Beren3000 · 06-04-2004, 04:00 AM

WOW! Thanks a lot

Beren3000 · 06-19-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Forkbeard
Oh my, as much as I like Milton, I ADORE DANTE!! The Comedia is fabulous, truly a high point in European literature. I can not praise it enough!

I recently acquired the Divine Comedy. Can you tell me how it is different from Paradise Lost? I mean the main theme is still about hell and heaven and what's between (except the fall of Man). Does it stick to the Christian doctrine or is it just an expose of Dante's own convictions?

***RÃan*** · 06-19-2004, 04:17 PM

Hey, I just posted about Paradise Lost! Did you see it?

here

Forkbeard · 06-20-2004, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Beren3000
I recently acquired the Divine Comedy. Can you tell me how it is different from Paradise Lost? I mean the main theme is still about hell and heaven and what's between (except the fall of Man). Does it stick to the Christian doctrine or is it just an expose of Dante's own convictions?

Briefly, and all too briefly, Paradise Lost is the story for the most part of what is called the Hexameral tradition: the first 6 days of creation. There are of course details and parts that are heterodox and invented by Milton, but essentially he's talking about Heaven as it was before the Son was "begotten before the foundation of the world", the war in heaven his begetting caused, the resolution to the war, the fall of Satan, then the creation of the world, followed by the creation, temptation and fall of Adam and Eve, and ends with Michael the Arcangel showing Adam the future including the incarnation, passion, and resurrection.

Dante assumes you know all this as the reader, and relates instead not the creation of hell, but rather one pilgrim's journey through hell and then purgatory and then heaven for his salvation and the salvation of others. Along the way a good deal of philolosophy, cosmology, and theology is discussed as well as the role and nature of the arts, petry especially, Italian politics, the nature of kingship and ruling among other topics. Above all, the Divine Comedy is about Love, and the nature of Love, and each level of each of the divisions is about love.

Hope that helps some.

Forkbeard

Beren3000 · 06-20-2004, 03:49 AM

Thanks, Forkbeard. I'm surely looking forward to read it now

Forkbeard · 06-20-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Beren3000
Thanks, Forkbeard. I'm surely looking forward to read it now

I'm glad. It is truly a sublime work, and if you liked Paradise Lost, I can think of no reason why you will not love the Divine Comedy. There is so much there!

***RÃan*** · 06-21-2004, 12:33 AM

I've been reading P. Lost for a few days now ...

Wow!

wow.

the language is incredible.

Forkbeard, any hints on translations for Dante? I've seen several styles.

Forkbeard · 06-21-2004, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by RÃ*an
I've been reading P. Lost for a few days now ...

Wow!

wow.

the language is incredible.

Forkbeard, any hints on translations for Dante? I've seen several styles.

There are several good ones. If you are looking to just sit down and read, I would choose either the Mandalbaum or Hollander translations. For reading I would stay away from Sayers...I just don't like the way she renders the text. But great notes! Hollander also has great notes, but he's debating his colleagues too often in them and so may not be to your liking as much.

Anyway, those are the 2 I'd suggest.

Glad you're liking Milton...fantastic poet. Did you know that he was blind when he wrote it? He had to have a secretary come and write down the lines he'd composed in his head.

***RÃan*** · 06-21-2004, 01:18 AM

Thanks for the info re Dante.

No, I didn't know Milton was blind then.

There was a funny story about his first marriage in the foreward - I'll try to find it.

BeardofPants · 06-21-2004, 02:17 AM

This is on my to read list. Hopefully I'll get around to it sometime before I end up in one of the nine levels of hell.

***RÃan*** · 06-21-2004, 12:29 PM

02-17-2004, 12:14 PM	#1
Brill Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chateau d'lf Posts: 122	Paradise Lost I am having to read this poem for the Literature curriculum at my local college, and although I haven't finished, I like it alot! The lines don't necessarily rhyme all the time, as is stereotypical of poems, and the lyrics don't always end at the end of the line, but that's fine as well. I think the language Milton used is excellent, it gives you clear picture in your head, especially when Raphael is talking about the battles between Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and the other angels. I have no head for war terms so it helps that he didn't use them! I was wondering if anyone else had ever read this? What of Paradise Regained (Is that the correct title? I could be wrong)? __________________ A boy's will is the wind's will, and the thoughts of youth are long, long thoughts.

02-28-2004, 03:13 PM	#3
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	Yeah,wonderful poetry (though I agree with C.S. Lewis about the last chapters being "an untransmuted lump of futurity" i.e. boring) And always remember: "Malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to man." A.E. Housman __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

03-21-2004, 03:51 AM	#5
Brill Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chateau d'lf Posts: 122	Lol, yes, I enjoyed it thoroughly... and I completely agree about the last chapter. I have, however, started the Inferno-- by Dante, now, and I like that as well... although very different in it's premise then Paradise Lost, for certain. __________________ A boy's will is the wind's will, and the thoughts of youth are long, long thoughts.

03-27-2004, 12:32 AM	#7
Brill Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chateau d'lf Posts: 122	I am ashamed to say not far, I have been rather busy with goings on and evil school. So, I'm basically at the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of it! __________________ A boy's will is the wind's will, and the thoughts of youth are long, long thoughts.

06-03-2004, 10:46 PM	#9
dawningoftime Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90	Pardise Regained online __________________ Audio Editor

02-24-2004, 04:36 PM	#2
Forkbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 369	This is a great piece of literature!!!! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it. I don't think Paradis Regained is as good, but that may be just me.

06-02-2004, 02:19 PM	#8
Beren3000 FÃ«anorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	Paradise Lost RULES!!! It's simply the best book I've ever read (even before LOTR) Does anyone know any links to Paradise Regainedon the net? It's too short to be in a book on its own and the only book I found it in is "The complete works of John Milton" which happens to be a bit bulky. So can anyone refer me to such a link?

06-04-2004, 04:00 AM	#10
Beren3000 FÃ«anorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	WOW! Thanks a lot

06-19-2004, 04:17 PM	#12
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Hey, I just posted about Paradise Lost! Did you see it? here __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

06-20-2004, 03:49 AM	#14
Beren3000 FÃ«anorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	Thanks, Forkbeard. I'm surely looking forward to read it now

06-21-2004, 12:33 AM	#16
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I've been reading P. Lost for a few days now ... Wow! wow. the language is incredible. Forkbeard, any hints on translations for Dante? I've seen several styles. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

06-21-2004, 01:18 AM	#18
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Thanks for the info re Dante. No, I didn't know Milton was blind then. There was a funny story about his first marriage in the foreward - I'll try to find it. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

06-21-2004, 02:17 AM	#19
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	This is on my to read list. Hopefully I'll get around to it sometime before I end up in one of the nine levels of hell.

06-21-2004, 12:29 PM	#20
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	__________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

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