Aragorn´s legitimacy - Page 2

markedel · 04-30-2003, 05:13 PM

The usual answer I heard was that wars raged on the borders of the realms-and Kings led armires in battles, while Queens could not. Thus, no Queens.

druss · 05-02-2003, 07:24 PM

HISory is determined by rulers...if you dare to question aragorns legitimate right to be ruler i dare you to say it to his face rather than hiding (cowardly IMO) behind the anomity of a message board..

Wayfarer · 05-02-2003, 07:42 PM

Hee!

What makes you think Aragorn would have a problem with that? I picture him softspokenly replying and making a logical rebuttal. But that's just me.

druss · 05-02-2003, 07:52 PM

tell that to the corsairs...i'm sure aragorn in his many guises battled them with soft speech rather than hard metal!!

Anglorfin · 05-09-2003, 12:12 AM

Hmm, I could have sworn that I posted here . . .

Anyway, Aragorn's claim is totally legitimate IMO. Besides all the arguments about his lineage, Gondor's line of succession has in some instances followed influence and power. Just like Earnil was a successful military leader who captured the hearts of the people, so was Aragorn. He had that to his advantage plus the fact that he had no real competition. The people were already behind him because they experienced his leadership firsthand, as was the case with Earnil vs. Arvedui.

durin's bane · 05-10-2003, 03:41 PM

Aragorn's the real King of Gondor. Simple as that. Everyone liked him, too, so that means more people on his side.

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-10-2003, 10:48 PM

I thought this was a topic about whether or not he was a bastard...

Anglorfin · 05-10-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I thought this was a topic about whether or not he was a bastard...

LoL!!! I thought of that too but decided not to bring it up.

Snowdog · 07-09-2004, 03:30 PM

Does anyone see the 'dumbing down' of responses to this topic after I brought it out of the depths in 2003 compared to the discussion of 2000?

Amazing....

***Valandil*** · 07-09-2004, 04:10 PM

Sometimes best to let sleeping dogs lie... in the snow. Or is it, 'best let sleeping snowdogs lie'? Or 'best let lying snowdogs sleep'?

Uh-oh... I think I just made it worse.

Attalus · 07-09-2004, 04:24 PM

I would add to the (excellent) discussion, here, by quoting Ioreth, who said "the hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so would the rightful king be known." Aragorn proved himself as a healer as well as a captain of war. Faramir touched on this by saying:

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"Men of Gondor, hear now the Steward of this Realm. Behold! One has come to claim the kingship again at last. Here is Aragorn son of Arathorn, chiftain of the Dunedain of Arnor, Captain of th Host of the West, bearer of the Star of the North, wielder of the Sword Reforged, victorious in battle, whose hands bring healing, the Elfstone, Elessar of the line of Valandil, Isildur's son, Elendil's son of Numenor Shall he be king and enter into the City and dwell there?"
And all the host and all the people cried yea with one voice.

04-30-2003, 05:13 PM	#21
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	The usual answer I heard was that wars raged on the borders of the realms-and Kings led armires in battles, while Queens could not. Thus, no Queens. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

05-02-2003, 07:24 PM	#22
druss Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: england Posts: 22	HISory is determined by rulers...if you dare to question aragorns legitimate right to be ruler i dare you to say it to his face rather than hiding (cowardly IMO) behind the anomity of a message board.. __________________ take this ring....for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you....and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill

05-02-2003, 07:42 PM	#23
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Hee! What makes you think Aragorn would have a problem with that? I picture him softspokenly replying and making a logical rebuttal. But that's just me. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

05-02-2003, 07:52 PM	#24
druss Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: england Posts: 22	tell that to the corsairs...i'm sure aragorn in his many guises battled them with soft speech rather than hard metal!! __________________ take this ring....for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you....and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill

05-09-2003, 12:12 AM	#25
Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	Hmm, I could have sworn that I posted here . . . Anyway, Aragorn's claim is totally legitimate IMO. Besides all the arguments about his lineage, Gondor's line of succession has in some instances followed influence and power. Just like Earnil was a successful military leader who captured the hearts of the people, so was Aragorn. He had that to his advantage plus the fact that he had no real competition. The people were already behind him because they experienced his leadership firsthand, as was the case with Earnil vs. Arvedui. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

05-10-2003, 03:41 PM	#26
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Aragorn's the real King of Gondor. Simple as that. Everyone liked him, too, so that means more people on his side. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

05-10-2003, 10:48 PM	#27
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I thought this was a topic about whether or not he was a bastard... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

07-09-2004, 03:30 PM	#29
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	Does anyone see the 'dumbing down' of responses to this topic after I brought it out of the depths in 2003 compared to the discussion of 2000? Amazing.... __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

07-09-2004, 04:10 PM	#30
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