Bard's arrow

afro-elf · 12-17-2002, 09:35 PM

is there something mentioned about Bard's arrow being SOMEHOW magical?

Coney · 12-17-2002, 09:52 PM

Bards words certainly seem to imply that it may be magical.

Quote:

"Arrow" said the bowman "Black Arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I have you from my Father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true King under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"

Hobbit Ch. 14 Fire and Water.

Other than that I have no idea

afro-elf · 12-18-2002, 04:31 AM

thanks. that was the quote I was looking for.

Lefty Scaevola · 12-18-2002, 01:28 PM

Yeah, not magical, just a well experience and brought up veteran arrow.

afro-elf · 12-18-2002, 07:05 PM

The subtle magic of ME.

Eothain · 12-19-2002, 12:06 PM

I don't think so.

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 01-03-2003, 06:11 PM

I don't think that Bard's arrow is magical.

Nilore · 01-04-2003, 05:06 AM

Wow! It's been a long time since I read the Hobbit.

zavron · 01-04-2003, 11:43 AM

I think it was Just a Family Heirloom from long ago.

WallRocker · 01-04-2003, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coney
Bards words certainly seem to imply that it may be magical.

True. But maybe Bard just had a superstitsion(spl) about the black arrow.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-10-2003, 09:14 AM

It seems to be a recurring theme in many high adventure stories; the passed down arrow, it's the last one they have, of course it works. A little cliched, maybe.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-15-2003, 03:31 AM

I think it is, as Afro-Elf said, the subtle magic of Middle-earth. It's the same sort of magic that Gandalf often deals with.

Agburanar · 01-17-2003, 07:33 AM

There are accounts of english archers reclaiming arrows that had killed particularly powerful enemies and treasuring them as 'lucky'. Also they re-used arrows that slew particular members of their own armies as they thought that they were 'lucky' arrows for whoever fired them, not neccesarily one particular side. Bard's arrow could have been an heirloom or perhaps an orc arrow belonging to a foe he had slain (in LotR it says that orcs used black-feathered arrows).

Mahal · 01-17-2003, 09:29 AM

Um... don't Bard's words imply that the arrow was made by dwarves--before Smaug drove them out from the Lonely Mountain? And there were often allusions of magic in the making of dwarven works. Besides which, dwarves were simply some of the best smiths in Middle Earth and their weapons and armor were highly prized.

Also, dwarves had been dispossessed and killed by dragons numerous times before without even counting the desolation of Smaug. There seems to be a kind of poetic justice in a dwarf-made arrow taking the life of one of the last and greatest of the dragon brood.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-17-2003, 02:44 PM

Maybe it wasn't magical, but it was "destined."

**Nurvingiel** · 01-17-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
Maybe it wasn't magical, but it was "destined."

Isn't that magic? There's other forces at work in Middle-earth besides evil ones.

SamwiseGamgee · 01-26-2003, 05:08 PM

On the subject of Bard's arrow, what color was it...oh yeah, BLACK! That's right! There's proof right there that Whitey doesn't rule Middle-Earth, cuz in the end, it's Black that takes the dragon down!

Beleg Strongbow · 01-27-2003, 02:07 PM

You're being sarcastic, right?

SamwiseGamgee · 01-27-2003, 09:05 PM

Yeah guys, I was only funning. I didn't mean for my little joke to be racist or offensive, so if anyone took it that way, my sincerest apologies. I'm only kidding around. Typical hobbit.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-27-2003, 10:19 PM

I thought you were talking about how the 'good' side is represented with the colour white, and the 'evil' side is represented with black, with several important exceptions.

I thought you were just pointing out another exception...

Never mind.

12-17-2002, 09:35 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Bard's arrow is there something mentioned about Bard's arrow being SOMEHOW magical? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-18-2002, 04:31 AM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	thanks. that was the quote I was looking for. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-18-2002, 07:05 PM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	The subtle magic of ME. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-19-2002, 12:06 PM	#6
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	Bards arrow. I don't think so. __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

01-03-2003, 06:11 PM	#7
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	I don't think that Bard's arrow is magical. __________________ Ni melme legolas

12-18-2002, 01:28 PM	#4
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Yeah, not magical, just a well experience and brought up veteran arrow.

01-04-2003, 05:06 AM	#8
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01-04-2003, 11:43 AM	#9
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01-10-2003, 09:14 AM	#11
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	It seems to be a recurring theme in many high adventure stories; the passed down arrow, it's the last one they have, of course it works. A little cliched, maybe. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-17-2003, 07:33 AM	#13
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	There are accounts of english archers reclaiming arrows that had killed particularly powerful enemies and treasuring them as 'lucky'. Also they re-used arrows that slew particular members of their own armies as they thought that they were 'lucky' arrows for whoever fired them, not neccesarily one particular side. Bard's arrow could have been an heirloom or perhaps an orc arrow belonging to a foe he had slain (in LotR it says that orcs used black-feathered arrows). __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

01-17-2003, 09:29 AM	#14
Mahal Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2	Um... don't Bard's words imply that the arrow was made by dwarves--before Smaug drove them out from the Lonely Mountain? And there were often allusions of magic in the making of dwarven works. Besides which, dwarves were simply some of the best smiths in Middle Earth and their weapons and armor were highly prized. Also, dwarves had been dispossessed and killed by dragons numerous times before without even counting the desolation of Smaug. There seems to be a kind of poetic justice in a dwarf-made arrow taking the life of one of the last and greatest of the dragon brood.

01-17-2003, 02:44 PM	#15
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	Maybe it wasn't magical, but it was "destined." __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-26-2003, 05:08 PM	#17
SamwiseGamgee Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakeville, MA (I call it the shire) Posts: 11	On the subject of Bard's arrow, what color was it...oh yeah, BLACK! That's right! There's proof right there that Whitey doesn't rule Middle-Earth, cuz in the end, it's Black that takes the dragon down!

01-27-2003, 02:07 PM	#18
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	You're being sarcastic, right? __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-27-2003, 09:05 PM	#19
SamwiseGamgee Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakeville, MA (I call it the shire) Posts: 11	Yeah guys, I was only funning. I didn't mean for my little joke to be racist or offensive, so if anyone took it that way, my sincerest apologies. I'm only kidding around. Typical hobbit.

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