The sleeping river

afro-elf · 01-05-2002, 06:25 AM

Did the Elves place a sleeping spell upon a part of the River Running as a defense?

Agburanar · 01-09-2002, 10:22 AM

Nobody interested huh? I think it's a good idea, but remember that the river is a long way from Thranduil's halls. On the other hand it does run out from caves under those hills and we know elevs have some command over water because Elrond caused the flood at Bruinen.

Wayfarer · 01-10-2002, 10:46 PM

The river running?

I don't think so...

The enchanted river that ran through mirkwood was a different river, wasn't it?

And yes, I do believe it was the elves that had enchanted it. Who else could or would?

Strange-Looking Lurker · 01-11-2002, 12:20 PM

Well the dreams that what's-his-name had sure don't seem like something made up by the Dark Lord....

Lightice · 01-11-2002, 01:42 PM

Thranduil, the elven king? Aye...Propably...

Legolas_BowKing · 01-27-2002, 05:23 AM

I think that the elves are very big on defence like the guarding of Lorien it was more then was apeared on the outside. And a sleeping spell is very much a Elf sort of thing.

Lightice · 01-27-2002, 06:34 AM

Lothlorien and Mirkwood are two different places.

Twilight · 02-05-2002, 09:17 AM

I don't think Legolas_BowKing was getting messed up between Lothlorien and Mirkwood. He was just comparing defencive messures taken by elven people elsewhere. Having an enchanted river would act rather well to keep unwelcome visitors away. There are other things than elves that could do it. It could be some nature spirit that enchanted the river.

Ñólendil · 02-05-2002, 09:29 PM

The River Running was the River flowing into and out of Lake-town. The Enchanted River mentioned by Wayfarer is the River afro-elf was thinking of. Bombur was the one who fell asleep (and Bilbo and Thorin had similar spells later). I agree with the Insufferable, I don't see who else could have enchanted the river. The path Thorin & Company were walking on is labeled 'Elf-path' on the map of Wilderland. I suppose the Elves used it once and set a spell on the river as a defence against all those people not familiar with the region (all strangers). The Wood-elves were said to be suspicious people after all. Maybe in those days boats were always kept on the east bank of the River where the road passed, and Elf-sentinels stood there, sending the boat across to allies.

But we don't know how long the River had been enchanted, or I don't. It might have been enchanted by some being before ever the Elves came to that forest.

FrodoFriend · 02-06-2002, 01:21 AM

Yeah, and Bombur's dreams were suspiciously similar to the Elven feasts they witnessed later.

Twilight · 02-06-2002, 09:28 AM

Something tells me that Bombur would have been thinking about food no matter what else was going on in the world

Twilight · 02-10-2002, 05:05 PM

I reread that section of the hobbit today. Bombur's dreams were specifically of the elven people and their feast. Then later on, when the dwarves sent Bilbo to sneak up on the elves, Bilbo was caught up in the same enchantment. Heavy sleep while dreaming about the elven feast. I think that is deffinate proof that the river was enchanted by the elves.

01-05-2002, 06:25 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	The sleeping river Did the Elves place a sleeping spell upon a part of the River Running as a defense? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-10-2002, 10:46 PM	#3
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	The river running? I don't think so... The enchanted river that ran through mirkwood was a different river, wasn't it? And yes, I do believe it was the elves that had enchanted it. Who else could or would? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-11-2002, 12:20 PM	#4
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Well the dreams that what's-his-name had sure don't seem like something made up by the Dark Lord.... __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

02-05-2002, 09:17 AM	#8
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I don't think Legolas_BowKing was getting messed up between Lothlorien and Mirkwood. He was just comparing defencive messures taken by elven people elsewhere. Having an enchanted river would act rather well to keep unwelcome visitors away. There are other things than elves that could do it. It could be some nature spirit that enchanted the river. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

02-05-2002, 09:29 PM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The River Running was the River flowing into and out of Lake-town. The Enchanted River mentioned by Wayfarer is the River afro-elf was thinking of. Bombur was the one who fell asleep (and Bilbo and Thorin had similar spells later). I agree with the Insufferable, I don't see who else could have enchanted the river. The path Thorin & Company were walking on is labeled 'Elf-path' on the map of Wilderland. I suppose the Elves used it once and set a spell on the river as a defence against all those people not familiar with the region (all strangers). The Wood-elves were said to be suspicious people after all. Maybe in those days boats were always kept on the east bank of the River where the road passed, and Elf-sentinels stood there, sending the boat across to allies. But we don't know how long the River had been enchanted, or I don't. It might have been enchanted by some being before ever the Elves came to that forest. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-09-2002, 10:22 AM	#2
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Nobody interested huh? I think it's a good idea, but remember that the river is a long way from Thranduil's halls. On the other hand it does run out from caves under those hills and we know elevs have some command over water because Elrond caused the flood at Bruinen.

01-11-2002, 01:42 PM	#5
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	Thranduil, the elven king? Aye...Propably...

01-27-2002, 05:23 AM	#6
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	I think that the elves are very big on defence like the guarding of Lorien it was more then was apeared on the outside. And a sleeping spell is very much a Elf sort of thing.

01-27-2002, 06:34 AM	#7
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	Lothlorien and Mirkwood are two different places.

02-06-2002, 01:21 AM	#10
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Yeah, and Bombur's dreams were suspiciously similar to the Elven feasts they witnessed later. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-06-2002, 09:28 AM	#11
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	Something tells me that Bombur would have been thinking about food no matter what else was going on in the world __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

02-10-2002, 05:05 PM	#12
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I reread that section of the hobbit today. Bombur's dreams were specifically of the elven people and their feast. Then later on, when the dwarves sent Bilbo to sneak up on the elves, Bilbo was caught up in the same enchantment. Heavy sleep while dreaming about the elven feast. I think that is deffinate proof that the river was enchanted by the elves. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

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