Who Hates Harry Potter? - Page 5

Silverstripe · 01-06-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adrian Baggins
*uses Avada Kedarva curse on Draco Malfoy's computer*

*laughs at Adrian Baggins for trying to use a kill-spell on a machine.*

No need for that, Adrian, magicals can't use computers we(

) - they crash computers by just touching them!

eowyngirl14 · 01-06-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diaxion
I like Harry Potter but I think that when people say they hate it really means that they never read it and therefore should not judge it.

Good point, but I have friends who have read it and hate it anyways!
I also have friends whose parents won't let them read HP because it is against there religion. This bothers me. They say it is un-Christian, yet they know noone who had read it! Does that sound a little hypocritical to anyone else?

Hanza · 01-07-2003, 04:51 AM

How on earth can a FICTIONAL book be against someones religion? Its about magic for heavens sake. I dont remember studying magic in religious studies! and if they have no proof then i think thats cheating kids out of a good book.

eowyngirl14 · 01-07-2003, 04:53 PM

Hanza, that was my point exactly! Only you voiced it a lot better... My friends parents feel that the magic in Harry Potter is un-christian. I am not sure why the parents feel this way, as it's not something that I am really in the place to ask them. But I hae asked my friend and she just says that her parents don't want her reading it, so she won't. I don't think they know what they are missing.
The thing that really bugs me is that they are allowed to read lotr because they know that JRR Tolkien was a Christian. I am not sure about JK Rowling, but this seems a little ridiculus to me... I mean, they both have good and dark magic in them, it is just a little more subtle in lotr. But Gandalf carries a staff around with him!

It was really uncomfortable... they were at my Grandparents house the same day that my family was. It happened to be my b-day Nov 16. And I wanted to go see HP and the chamber of Secrets, so my Dad took my and my sisters. I was wearing my slytherin shirt and was all in the HP mood, having just read the 2 book for the third time... Then we got back and there was this really ackward moment between me and my friend, because I really needed to talk to someone about the movie, but I didn't want to offend her or her parents... Sheesh... glad that's over!
I think that fact that it is a fiction novel has a lot do do with why they can't read it...

**crickhollow** · 01-07-2003, 05:21 PM

First point:Whether a book is fiction has nothing to do with it, Hanza. Whenever a book is published, an author's worldview is submitted to the public. These people are given a platform from which they can speak and influence other people. An example off the top of my head is A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. In this book, as well as some of his short stories, Twain exploits the platform he has been given, and becomes downright preachy.

I hope that if I ever get published, that my worldview will be clearly distinguishable--just like Lewis, Tolkien, Dickens and others.

Second point:
Magic is a scary thing for some people, Hanza. I read in a letter to an editor once that some people have a weakness towards fantasy just like some people have a weakness towards alcohol. I recognize that psychological thrillers (movies and books) fill me with stark terror, and if I wish to avoid sleepless nights, I avoid such material.

Also--magic and paganism have been in conflict with Christianity since the gospel was first spread beyond the mediterranean world in the early middle ages. This conflict goes beyond the intellectual marketplace of worldviews, and into the spiritual realm. Many Christians believe that magic is not merely a harmless superstition, but a demonic practice.

*dismounts soapbox* I hope that clearly explains why a mere "fictional" book can be against one's religion. If you can't handle people knocking Harry Potter, I suggest that in the future, you avoid threads entitled "I hate Harry Potter".

and for the record, I like HP

eowyngirl14 · 01-07-2003, 10:59 PM

Crickhollow, are you a HP hater? I think that the point of this thread was to start disconsions about why peole do or don't like HP. And that's exactly what was happening. My friends don't think that it is down right work of the devil, they just find it inappropriate, for some reason. Maybe they don't want there impressionable teenage daughter to grow up believing in mageic? I don't know! I certanly believe in magic, and think that I am growing up fine!

**crickhollow** · 01-08-2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
Crickhollow, are you a HP hater?

I think I'll quote my own post here:

Quote:

and for the record, I like HP

and now that your question has been answered, lets move on.

My point (and perhaps I did not explain it well enough) was to try to explain why Christians have a problem with magic in general, and HP in particular. But then again, perhaps you were just having fun mocking your friend's parents, and weren't genuinely interested in the whyfores and the whethertos (as Bilbo would say) of their beliefs.

Hanza · 01-08-2003, 11:20 AM

Well thanx for clearing some of that up crickhollow and eowyngirl14. I'd just like to say i didnt know what religion they were. I still think it is a bit unreasonable but this maybe because i am not a christian myself. If it is just because JK Rowling isnt christian (which i dont know) then i dont think its fair. I can understand perhaps magic being a problem a long time ago but this is the 21st century.

eowyngirl14 · 01-08-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crickhollow
I think I'll quote my own post here: and now that your question has been answered, lets move on.

My point (and perhaps I did not explain it well enough) was to try to explain why Christians have a problem with magic in general, and HP in particular. But then again, perhaps you were just having fun mocking your friend's parents, and weren't genuinely interested in the whyfores and the whethertos (as Bilbo would say) of their beliefs.

I would never mock my friends parents or her family beliefs. My family is not religous and I fund it very interesting that they can't read HP because of the magic contet, and because they don't know weather JK is a Christian or not. I accualy was interested, thankyou for helping me understand!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-08-2003, 09:46 PM

Darn it, I keep forgetting to answer...In reply to the title of this thread...

ME!!!

eowyngirl14 · 01-08-2003, 09:59 PM

Why do you hate it? Have you read the books or have the movies poisoned your mind? like so many others?

Shadowfax · 01-09-2003, 10:44 PM

Harry Potter sucks

Radagast The Brown · 01-11-2003, 03:09 PM

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originally posted by Shadowfax
Harry Potter sucks

Why?

Hanza · 01-11-2003, 05:21 PM

Dont just say 'me' or 'HP sucks'. What is your back up? why dont you like them? I am not saying you have to like the books just at least explain what your view is a bit more. OK?

Lanelf · 01-13-2003, 06:02 AM

Hang on - I'm both HP and LOTR! What, I can beat myself up? OK! *pulls out wand and frypan* Yeeahahahaha! *runs around screaming maniacally* Run! Run for your LIFE!
Lanelf.

eowyngirl14 · 01-13-2003, 10:38 PM

That's funny Lanelf! I love both HP and lotr. Sometimes my Araogrn bookmark talks to my Ron bookmark. They argue about who I like more a lot. And about which one of them likes me the best... Heee Heee Heee! I'll never tell! Uh Oh.... the bookmarks are starting to talk to each other agian!

Shadowfax · 01-14-2003, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Why?

Because they aren't the kind of books I enjoy reading. Too "fake" for me. Know what I mean? Like with LotR, they feel really real I guess, like I could hop on a plane and go to Middle Earth, and have a cup o tea with Galadriel and Celeborn (okay, maybe not, but do you know what I mean??), and with the HP books I don't know, the magic and all just seems to fake and for lack of a better word, childish.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-14-2003, 12:31 AM

I've never seen the movies, and I haven't read much of the books. They always just struck me as artificial and superficial, much like with Shadowfax. Not to mention I must admit that I'm a bit prejudiced against the kids-rule genre.

eowyngirl14 · 01-14-2003, 05:19 PM

There is nothing wrong with the kids-rule genre!!! Harry Potter seemed really real to me! Like I ciuld hop on the Hoqwarts Express and have a cup if tea with Hermione

Or go on a date with Ron...

That would be awesome!!!!!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-14-2003, 05:25 PM

Well, it just didn't seem real to me, unlike LotR and Narnia.

01-07-2003, 04:51 AM	#83
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	How on earth can a FICTIONAL book be against someones religion? Its about magic for heavens sake. I dont remember studying magic in religious studies! and if they have no proof then i think thats cheating kids out of a good book. __________________ :: there's nothing comforting in change:: Why dont sheep shrink in the rain??

01-07-2003, 04:53 PM	#84
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	Hanza, that was my point exactly! Only you voiced it a lot better... My friends parents feel that the magic in Harry Potter is un-christian. I am not sure why the parents feel this way, as it's not something that I am really in the place to ask them. But I hae asked my friend and she just says that her parents don't want her reading it, so she won't. I don't think they know what they are missing. The thing that really bugs me is that they are allowed to read lotr because they know that JRR Tolkien was a Christian. I am not sure about JK Rowling, but this seems a little ridiculus to me... I mean, they both have good and dark magic in them, it is just a little more subtle in lotr. But Gandalf carries a staff around with him! It was really uncomfortable... they were at my Grandparents house the same day that my family was. It happened to be my b-day Nov 16. And I wanted to go see HP and the chamber of Secrets, so my Dad took my and my sisters. I was wearing my slytherin shirt and was all in the HP mood, having just read the 2 book for the third time... Then we got back and there was this really ackward moment between me and my friend, because I really needed to talk to someone about the movie, but I didn't want to offend her or her parents... Sheesh... glad that's over! I think that fact that it is a fiction novel has a lot do do with why they can't read it... __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-07-2003, 05:21 PM	#85
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	First point:Whether a book is fiction has nothing to do with it, Hanza. Whenever a book is published, an author's worldview is submitted to the public. These people are given a platform from which they can speak and influence other people. An example off the top of my head is A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. In this book, as well as some of his short stories, Twain exploits the platform he has been given, and becomes downright preachy. I hope that if I ever get published, that my worldview will be clearly distinguishable--just like Lewis, Tolkien, Dickens and others. Second point: Magic is a scary thing for some people, Hanza. I read in a letter to an editor once that some people have a weakness towards fantasy just like some people have a weakness towards alcohol. I recognize that psychological thrillers (movies and books) fill me with stark terror, and if I wish to avoid sleepless nights, I avoid such material. Also--magic and paganism have been in conflict with Christianity since the gospel was first spread beyond the mediterranean world in the early middle ages. This conflict goes beyond the intellectual marketplace of worldviews, and into the spiritual realm. Many Christians believe that magic is not merely a harmless superstition, but a demonic practice. dismounts soapbox I hope that clearly explains why a mere "fictional" book can be against one's religion. If you can't handle people knocking Harry Potter, I suggest that in the future, you avoid threads entitled "I hate Harry Potter". and for the record, I like HP __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

01-07-2003, 10:59 PM	#86
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	Crickhollow, are you a HP hater? I think that the point of this thread was to start disconsions about why peole do or don't like HP. And that's exactly what was happening. My friends don't think that it is down right work of the devil, they just find it inappropriate, for some reason. Maybe they don't want there impressionable teenage daughter to grow up believing in mageic? I don't know! I certanly believe in magic, and think that I am growing up fine! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-08-2003, 11:20 AM	#88
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	Well thanx for clearing some of that up crickhollow and eowyngirl14. I'd just like to say i didnt know what religion they were. I still think it is a bit unreasonable but this maybe because i am not a christian myself. If it is just because JK Rowling isnt christian (which i dont know) then i dont think its fair. I can understand perhaps magic being a problem a long time ago but this is the 21st century. __________________ :: there's nothing comforting in change:: Why dont sheep shrink in the rain??

01-08-2003, 09:46 PM	#90
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Darn it, I keep forgetting to answer...In reply to the title of this thread... ME!!! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-08-2003, 09:59 PM	#91
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	Why do you hate it? Have you read the books or have the movies poisoned your mind? like so many others? __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-09-2003, 10:44 PM	#92
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Harry Potter sucks __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

01-11-2003, 05:21 PM	#94
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	Dont just say 'me' or 'HP sucks'. What is your back up? why dont you like them? I am not saying you have to like the books just at least explain what your view is a bit more. OK? __________________ :: there's nothing comforting in change:: Why dont sheep shrink in the rain??

01-13-2003, 06:02 AM	#95
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Hang on - I'm both HP and LOTR! What, I can beat myself up? OK! pulls out wand and frypan Yeeahahahaha! runs around screaming maniacally Run! Run for your LIFE! Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

01-13-2003, 10:38 PM	#96
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	That's funny Lanelf! I love both HP and lotr. Sometimes my Araogrn bookmark talks to my Ron bookmark. They argue about who I like more a lot. And about which one of them likes me the best... Heee Heee Heee! I'll never tell! Uh Oh.... the bookmarks are starting to talk to each other agian! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-14-2003, 12:31 AM	#98
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I've never seen the movies, and I haven't read much of the books. They always just struck me as artificial and superficial, much like with Shadowfax. Not to mention I must admit that I'm a bit prejudiced against the kids-rule genre. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-14-2003, 05:19 PM	#99
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	There is nothing wrong with the kids-rule genre!!! Harry Potter seemed really real to me! Like I ciuld hop on the Hoqwarts Express and have a cup if tea with Hermione Or go on a date with Ron... That would be awesome!!!!! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-14-2003, 05:25 PM	#100
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Well, it just didn't seem real to me, unlike LotR and Narnia. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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