Horcruxes

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 01:38 PM

This is the thread where you can talk about horcruxes, where they are, what objects they're in etc. Firstly, i believe that harry is one of those because of several reasons:

1) The green light that harry sees from when voldy tried to kill him nearly 17 years ago can't be avada kedavra because it doesn't distroy buildings in the process (look at the Riddle house for example). However, the Horcrux spell appearently does (from the one case of it trying to be used(whether intental or not, we don't know yet)).
2) If he did create six of them, and if dumbledore is right in what he says ("You distroyed the diary and i the ring" "secured objects from Hufflepuff and Slytherin (locket)", looking for an object from Ravenclaw(and managing to find it, of course), not being able to find Gryffindor's sword. (Quotes from HBP Ch 23)), then that leaves harry as one. Hense how he managed to survive that night.

Like to hear your views on the subject

durinsbane2244 · 05-21-2006, 01:41 PM

what was the one case it was attempted that destroyed a building?

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 02:14 PM

when voldy went to godric's hollowon the night of the 31st october 1981.

durinsbane2244 · 05-21-2006, 04:01 PM

how do we know that's what he was trying to do?

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 04:32 PM

because i think if he had made all the other horcruxes by this time, and the fact that he had a passion for collecting things that were special in some way to him, then the boy who was most likely to kill him (ultumatly) in later life ("The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches" ch 37 OotP - the bit he was told about) i think would be the ultimate trophy to him.

Radagast The Brown · 05-21-2006, 04:52 PM

Wait - you mean he didn't try to kill Harry, but tried to make him a horcrux, in spite of the fact Harry is the only danger on his reign? But in order to win Harry he'd have to kill him, thus losing a part of his soul... I don't think Voldemort would do that.

About your first point: The house was destroyed because the Avada Kedavra crashed into the protection spell and was reflected... something that never happened before it seems. During the process the house was destroyed.

Btw - check this other thread about Horcruxes out: http://entmoot.com/showthread.php?t=...ight=horcruxes

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 05:35 PM

yes, but he had just killed James and Lily, thus having split his soul up two times already, i would think. so if he had killed harry, yes the soul would split, but i'm sure that there must've been a way to put the soul back together - after all, look at all the killings he supposidly did...

Radagast The Brown · 05-21-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jammi567

yes, but he had just killed James and Lily, thus having split his soul up two times already, i would think. so if he had killed harry, yes the soul would split, but i'm sure that there must've been a way to put the soul back together - after all, look at all the killings he supposidly did...

But, jammi, not every time Voldemort kills someone his soul gets split.

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 05:56 PM

what proof from the books have got to support that.

Radagast The Brown · 05-21-2006, 06:06 PM

I don't have the 6th book with me here, but I think it's clear that not everytime one murders his soul splits. There should be intention and knowledge in dark magic in order to create a horcrux.

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 06:14 PM

and voldy had plenty of that.

"But how do you do it (split your soul)" "By an act of evil - the supreme act of evil. By commiting murder. Killing rips the soul apart."

durinsbane2244 · 05-21-2006, 06:31 PM

well, i disagree with jammi that he tried to make harry a horcrux, be he is right on that. every time one murders the soul is split. the horcrux spell just contains it...

jammi567 · 05-21-2006, 06:36 PM

yes, but i think that had lily ran away when voldy murdered james, then there wouldn't have been any protective charms on harry for the horcrux - creating spell to reflect off and hit voldy.

durinsbane2244 · 05-21-2006, 08:15 PM

yes, but voldemort told her to stand aside, so she would've died for him anyways...

jammi567 · 05-22-2006, 04:26 AM

yes, but what i was saying was that if she had stood aside or ran away to save her own skin, then there wouldn't be any protective charms for the spell to reflect off, so the horcrux - creating spell would've worked.

Radagast The Brown · 05-23-2006, 01:34 PM

I still disagree; but let's drop it.

Back on topic- You didn't really answer why would Voldemort want to make Harry a horcrux when he wants to kill him (unless he wants to make a horcrux of the body of the baby??).

About all the horcruxes Voldemort probably has - 1) Diary, 2) Ring, 3) Locket, 4) Hufflepuff Goblet, 5) Something of Ravenclew, 6) Nagini.

The last two are guesses made by Dumbledore...

Like Khamul said on the other thread, I think he may have transferred some of his soul unintentionally; but he wouldn't have done it intentionally IMO.

jammi567 · 05-23-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

(unless he wants to make a horcrux of the body of the baby??).
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That's what i'm saying. But on another subject, where do you think voldy is keeping 4) Hufflepuff Goblet, 5) Something of Ravenclew, 6) Nagini. We know that Nagini is with him, but where could the other two be.

Radagast The Brown · 05-23-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jammi567

That's what i'm saying.

The only problem I can find with this is that bodies don't last a very long time before decaying; and then the horcrux would be lost.

About the locations... I have no idea.

I don't think we're supposed to know either, it'd probably be in places Rowling hasn't told us of yet.

durinsbane2244 · 05-23-2006, 01:52 PM

a good question...i think we're going to find out more about his past and there will be more locations that have meaning for him...either way, something from his past...

jammi567 · 05-23-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

The only problem I can find with this is that bodies don't last a very long time before decaying; and then the horcrux would be lost.

unless of course, he had a massive freezer to preserve the body in

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05-21-2006, 01:38 PM	#1
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	Horcruxes This is the thread where you can talk about horcruxes, where they are, what objects they're in etc. Firstly, i believe that harry is one of those because of several reasons: 1) The green light that harry sees from when voldy tried to kill him nearly 17 years ago can't be avada kedavra because it doesn't distroy buildings in the process (look at the Riddle house for example). However, the Horcrux spell appearently does (from the one case of it trying to be used(whether intental or not, we don't know yet)). 2) If he did create six of them, and if dumbledore is right in what he says ("You distroyed the diary and i the ring" "secured objects from Hufflepuff and Slytherin (locket)", looking for an object from Ravenclaw(and managing to find it, of course), not being able to find Gryffindor's sword. (Quotes from HBP Ch 23)), then that leaves harry as one. Hense how he managed to survive that night. Like to hear your views on the subject Last edited by jammi567 : 05-21-2006 at 02:16 PM.

05-21-2006, 01:41 PM	#2
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	what was the one case it was attempted that destroyed a building? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

05-21-2006, 04:01 PM	#4
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	how do we know that's what he was trying to do? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

05-21-2006, 04:52 PM	#6
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Wait - you mean he didn't try to kill Harry, but tried to make him a horcrux, in spite of the fact Harry is the only danger on his reign? But in order to win Harry he'd have to kill him, thus losing a part of his soul... I don't think Voldemort would do that. About your first point: The house was destroyed because the Avada Kedavra crashed into the protection spell and was reflected... something that never happened before it seems. During the process the house was destroyed. Btw - check this other thread about Horcruxes out: http://entmoot.com/showthread.php?t=...ight=horcruxes __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 05-21-2006 at 04:53 PM.

05-21-2006, 06:06 PM	#10
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I don't have the 6th book with me here, but I think it's clear that not everytime one murders his soul splits. There should be intention and knowledge in dark magic in order to create a horcrux. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-21-2006, 02:14 PM	#3
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	when voldy went to godric's hollowon the night of the 31st october 1981.

05-21-2006, 04:32 PM	#5
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	because i think if he had made all the other horcruxes by this time, and the fact that he had a passion for collecting things that were special in some way to him, then the boy who was most likely to kill him (ultumatly) in later life ("The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches" ch 37 OotP - the bit he was told about) i think would be the ultimate trophy to him.

05-21-2006, 05:35 PM	#7
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	yes, but he had just killed James and Lily, thus having split his soul up two times already, i would think. so if he had killed harry, yes the soul would split, but i'm sure that there must've been a way to put the soul back together - after all, look at all the killings he supposidly did...

05-21-2006, 05:56 PM	#9
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	what proof from the books have got to support that.

05-21-2006, 06:14 PM	#11
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	and voldy had plenty of that. "But how do you do it (split your soul)" "By an act of evil - the supreme act of evil. By commiting murder. Killing rips the soul apart." Last edited by jammi567 : 05-21-2006 at 06:19 PM.

05-21-2006, 06:31 PM	#12
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	well, i disagree with jammi that he tried to make harry a horcrux, be he is right on that. every time one murders the soul is split. the horcrux spell just contains it... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

05-21-2006, 06:36 PM	#13
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	yes, but i think that had lily ran away when voldy murdered james, then there wouldn't have been any protective charms on harry for the horcrux - creating spell to reflect off and hit voldy.

05-21-2006, 08:15 PM	#14
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	yes, but voldemort told her to stand aside, so she would've died for him anyways... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

05-22-2006, 04:26 AM	#15
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	yes, but what i was saying was that if she had stood aside or ran away to save her own skin, then there wouldn't be any protective charms for the spell to reflect off, so the horcrux - creating spell would've worked.

05-23-2006, 01:34 PM	#16
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I still disagree; but let's drop it. Back on topic- You didn't really answer why would Voldemort want to make Harry a horcrux when he wants to kill him (unless he wants to make a horcrux of the body of the baby??). About all the horcruxes Voldemort probably has - 1) Diary, 2) Ring, 3) Locket, 4) Hufflepuff Goblet, 5) Something of Ravenclew, 6) Nagini. The last two are guesses made by Dumbledore... Like Khamul said on the other thread, I think he may have transferred some of his soul unintentionally; but he wouldn't have done it intentionally IMO. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-23-2006, 01:52 PM	#19
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	a good question...i think we're going to find out more about his past and there will be more locations that have meaning for him...either way, something from his past... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...