tuor and turin

afro-elf · 01-03-2002, 10:26 PM

tuor and turin are cousins

what is the age differences between them?

in the book of unfinished tales they cross paths literally and is touched upon in the Sil.

I wonder had they met in there youth?

Would that have recognized each other if they saw each other close up?

And if so how or if would the Sil have been changed if they did?

Kevin McIntyre · 01-03-2002, 11:58 PM

Tuor (first age 473) was eight years younger than Turin (fa 465).

I do not believe their paths crossed as youths, but I haven't read Unfinished Tales (which expands on both characters) in a while.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-04-2002, 11:06 AM

IIRC, their paths crossed at the time that Turin was trying to rescue Finduilas, but I don't recall that they ever met. Tuor must have known of Turin and his deeds but may not have known that it was actually Turin. Turin had so many different names.

noldorlord · 01-09-2002, 12:55 PM

In the Silmarrilion Tuor and Turin did not meet or speak to each other. It says in Sil. that Tuor saw a dark figure, dressed in black with a big sword while he was going to Gondolin (I think).

Finmandos12 · 01-21-2002, 02:05 PM

When Tuor was going to Gondolin with Voronwe, they saw Turin walk past. This was when Turin was trying to kill Glaurung.

Ñólendil · 01-23-2002, 04:27 PM

I thought it was when he was heading back to Hithlum to rescue his mother and sister, cozened by the lies of Glaurung?

Findegil · 01-25-2002, 07:01 PM

Turin was definitley one the way to Hithlum to rescue Morwen and Nienor, when he was seen by Tour. But it isn't likely that Tour had heard of the Black Sword of Nargothrond.

But lets start at the begining: Tuor was born in the wild shortly after the Battle of Unnumbered Tears and fostered for a long while by the Greyelves of Mithrim. While Turin was sent in the year after the Battle to Thingols court. In that way they couldn't have meet in youth.
Hithlum was shut of from news of the south while Turin was in Doriath and afterwards their were only rumors about the Mormegil running about the slaves. But in this time Tour was already an solitary outlaw and so had naturaly not much comunikation with any folk.

So Tour could in no way recognise that this man running along, mad from war and grief was his cousin. Even when we asume that he did know of his cousin and belived that he still lived.

Regards
Findegil

sun-star · 01-27-2002, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Thus only for a moment, and never again, did the paths of those kinsmen, Turin and Tuor, draw together.

I think we can assume this was their only meeting, just by a strange coincidence.

Tar-Elendil · 04-28-2002, 07:45 PM

Unfinished Tales- "Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin" Page 40. Read it.

01-03-2002, 10:26 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	tuor and turin tuor and turin are cousins what is the age differences between them? in the book of unfinished tales they cross paths literally and is touched upon in the Sil. I wonder had they met in there youth? Would that have recognized each other if they saw each other close up? And if so how or if would the Sil have been changed if they did? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-09-2002, 12:55 PM	#4
noldorlord Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: derbyshire, england Posts: 42	In the Silmarrilion Tuor and Turin did not meet or speak to each other. It says in Sil. that Tuor saw a dark figure, dressed in black with a big sword while he was going to Gondolin (I think). __________________ "fly you fools" - Gandalf

01-21-2002, 02:05 PM	#5
Finmandos12 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 327	When Tuor was going to Gondolin with Voronwe, they saw Turin walk past. This was when Turin was trying to kill Glaurung. __________________ The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

01-23-2002, 04:27 PM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I thought it was when he was heading back to Hithlum to rescue his mother and sister, cozened by the lies of Glaurung? __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

04-28-2002, 07:45 PM	#9
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	Unfinished Tales- "Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin" Page 40. Read it. __________________ Why can we not be sober..

01-03-2002, 11:58 PM	#2
Kevin McIntyre Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bree Posts: 148	Tuor (first age 473) was eight years younger than Turin (fa 465). I do not believe their paths crossed as youths, but I haven't read Unfinished Tales (which expands on both characters) in a while.

01-04-2002, 11:06 AM	#3
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	IIRC, their paths crossed at the time that Turin was trying to rescue Finduilas, but I don't recall that they ever met. Tuor must have known of Turin and his deeds but may not have known that it was actually Turin. Turin had so many different names.

01-25-2002, 07:01 PM	#7
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	Turin was definitley one the way to Hithlum to rescue Morwen and Nienor, when he was seen by Tour. But it isn't likely that Tour had heard of the Black Sword of Nargothrond. But lets start at the begining: Tuor was born in the wild shortly after the Battle of Unnumbered Tears and fostered for a long while by the Greyelves of Mithrim. While Turin was sent in the year after the Battle to Thingols court. In that way they couldn't have meet in youth. Hithlum was shut of from news of the south while Turin was in Doriath and afterwards their were only rumors about the Mormegil running about the slaves. But in this time Tour was already an solitary outlaw and so had naturaly not much comunikation with any folk. So Tour could in no way recognise that this man running along, mad from war and grief was his cousin. Even when we asume that he did know of his cousin and belived that he still lived. Regards Findegil