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Old 03-30-2007, 11:37 AM   #1
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Just wondering. Can orcs have their own minds or are they complete Sauron powered..... Eh... Dummies ?
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Old 03-30-2007, 12:09 PM   #2
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In the return of the king (At least in the books) Sam overhears a few orcs wishing for the old days when they could just go about as bandits...

So it is clear the while the orcs arn't mind controled they are still enslaved by fear of Souron.
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:00 PM   #3
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In Myths Transformed Tolkien speculated that Orcs merely relayed old records of speech set in them by Melkor and that they had no fea - although in the letters Tolkien gives them more credit.
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Arwen Undomiel already said, so I will add some to it

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In the return of the king (At least in the books) Sam overhears a few orcs wishing for the old days when they could just go about as bandits...

So it is clear the while the orcs arn't mind controled they are still enslaved by fear of Souron.
That is what I was going to say, but then I read that you already said it. It happens when they kill the spider, and Sam is wandering around, following them.
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What spider did they kill?
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