Chapter 22-Of the Ruin of Doriath

***Earniel*** · 12-10-2018, 07:44 AM

While I agree with what you're saying, my point mainly is that a lot of their history is lacking.

While predicted from the start, you can actually see the animosity between Elves and Dwarves arise: killing the Petty Dwarves because the Elves thought they were animals, taking over their abandoned home to build Nargothrond, and now the sack of Doriath... No wonder Legolas and Gimli took a lot of warming up. And without Galadriel's intervention, neither may ever have reconsidered their stance. But here there are reasons for the discontent other than merely the prophecy.

But there is no such history with the Ents. All we know is that they suddenly decide to enter established history with an agressive act towards the Dwarves. No motivation or priors is given and while their good connections with the Elves has been mentioned more than once, they never come to their aid either. They never engage Morgoth's forces that we hear of in the defense of Eldar. They could have planted the entire barren Anfauglith with trees as a nice up-yours to Melkor. They could have located Dior's lost boys in the woods before they starved. They could likely have routed the entire Nogrod army to start with! But they didn't. Why not then and why now and afterwards no more? What changed?

We are told of the animosity between the Children of Yavanna and those of AulÃ«. It was predicted even from the start but we're never shown the actual process. Unlike with Elves and Dwarves. So that leaves plenty for interpretation.

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12-10-2018, 07:44 AM	#20
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	While I agree with what you're saying, my point mainly is that a lot of their history is lacking. While predicted from the start, you can actually see the animosity between Elves and Dwarves arise: killing the Petty Dwarves because the Elves thought they were animals, taking over their abandoned home to build Nargothrond, and now the sack of Doriath... No wonder Legolas and Gimli took a lot of warming up. And without Galadriel's intervention, neither may ever have reconsidered their stance. But here there are reasons for the discontent other than merely the prophecy. But there is no such history with the Ents. All we know is that they suddenly decide to enter established history with an agressive act towards the Dwarves. No motivation or priors is given and while their good connections with the Elves has been mentioned more than once, they never come to their aid either. They never engage Morgoth's forces that we hear of in the defense of Eldar. They could have planted the entire barren Anfauglith with trees as a nice up-yours to Melkor. They could have located Dior's lost boys in the woods before they starved. They could likely have routed the entire Nogrod army to start with! But they didn't. Why not then and why now and afterwards no more? What changed? We are told of the animosity between the Children of Yavanna and those of AulÃ«. It was predicted even from the start but we're never shown the actual process. Unlike with Elves and Dwarves. So that leaves plenty for interpretation.