Gandalfs words on the bridge

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 08-27-2003, 07:53 PM

He says, "I am an agent of the secret fire," which refers to that of Illuvatar, if memory serves.

But what I'm not sure of is when he says "wielder of the flame of Arnor." What is Arnor? I have a Middle-Earth encyclopedia, but the term is not listed. I am assuming it has to do with Illuvatar or the Valar as well.

Does anyone here know for sure?

I thought I'd list this here since it is dialogue from the movie

Sheeana · 08-27-2003, 08:05 PM

DISCLAIMER: I'm in internet explorer at uni, so I can't see everyone's replies for some stupid reason.

Anyway, it's the fire of Anor, not ARnor. And it basically translates to "sun." Meaning that it probably refers to Illuvatar.

Melko Belcha · 08-27-2003, 09:28 PM

The Encyclopedia of Arda

A mysterious power claimed by Gandalf in the face of Durin's Bane. It is nowhere else referred to, and so its particular meaning remains unclear. Anor is the Sun, and so literally the 'flame of Anor' would be the light of the Sun, the fiery fruit of Laurelin, one of the Two Trees of Valinor. Gandalf seems to be referring, then, to the power he gains as a servant of the Lords of the West, in defiance to the corrupted darkness of the Balrog.

Sween · 08-28-2003, 09:49 AM

Plus claiming to any servent of Melkor that you have the falem of the sun is a good way to scare they they all hated the sun they were all more indoor types

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-28-2003, 01:46 PM

Here is a link to another such thread.

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...highlight=Anor

Here is what Robert Foster has to say.

From the Complete Guide to Middle-earth.

Quote:

Flame of Anor- The power weilded by Gandalf. Possibly an allusion to the white light of the Sun as a symbol to the Secret Fire.

Please do a search before starting a new thread. Closing.

08-27-2003, 07:53 PM	#1
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	Gandalfs words on the bridge He says, "I am an agent of the secret fire," which refers to that of Illuvatar, if memory serves. But what I'm not sure of is when he says "wielder of the flame of Arnor." What is Arnor? I have a Middle-Earth encyclopedia, but the term is not listed. I am assuming it has to do with Illuvatar or the Valar as well. Does anyone here know for sure? I thought I'd list this here since it is dialogue from the movie __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

08-27-2003, 09:28 PM	#3
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	The Encyclopedia of Arda A mysterious power claimed by Gandalf in the face of Durin's Bane. It is nowhere else referred to, and so its particular meaning remains unclear. Anor is the Sun, and so literally the 'flame of Anor' would be the light of the Sun, the fiery fruit of Laurelin, one of the Two Trees of Valinor. Gandalf seems to be referring, then, to the power he gains as a servant of the Lords of the West, in defiance to the corrupted darkness of the Balrog. __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

08-28-2003, 09:49 AM	#4
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Plus claiming to any servent of Melkor that you have the falem of the sun is a good way to scare they they all hated the sun they were all more indoor types __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

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08-27-2003, 08:05 PM	#2
Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	DISCLAIMER: I'm in internet explorer at uni, so I can't see everyone's replies for some stupid reason. Anyway, it's the fire of Anor, not ARnor. And it basically translates to "sun." Meaning that it probably refers to Illuvatar.