The strangest of all Tolkien's creatures?

Siggles · 10-02-2001, 12:13 PM

I think they have to be the stone giants in the Hobbit. How come we never hear about them anywhere else. Who would they have fought for in the war of the ring? Where did they go? What were they doing up there?

Ñólendil · 10-02-2001, 04:58 PM

They needn't have fought in the War of the Ring at all, and perhaps did not. Not everyone was on one side or the other.

Comic Book Guy · 10-02-2001, 05:30 PM

No mention of the Knee-Walking Turkeys as the strangest creature, eh Inoldonil?

P.S It's my Hundredth post hurrah!!

Ñólendil · 10-02-2001, 05:45 PM

Congrats!

I was actually going to mention Tom as one of the Knee-walking Turkeys, but forgot. No good now, unless you don't mind me editing my post and deleting yours

Comic Book Guy · 10-02-2001, 06:05 PM

I’m intrigued by these Knee Walking Turkeys, all I know is the information Inoldonil gave us. Is it worth buying HoME XIII just to find out about these fascinating creatures alone or does it have any other information that a curious young person such as myself might enjoy reading?

Also I believe the Men to be the strangest of all Tolkien’s creatures, even if it was based on some other beings from other tales. Mainly because every other creature has mortal advantages other them, but this isn’t the thread to discuss that.

Gothmog35 · 10-02-2001, 08:09 PM

I think that the siege dragons of iron(like the ones created for the destruction of Gondolin)are weird. I can't tell, but it seems they are dragons made of metal.

ringbearer · 10-03-2001, 12:19 AM

May seem a little surprising...Elves! Because they are far different than Elves in other literature!

BTW...Welcome to Entmoot, Gothmog35!

Ñólendil · 10-03-2001, 04:57 PM

Welcome Gothmog!

Comic Book Guy, you should definitely buy Vol. XIII of HoMe, there's a lot of other great information in there: Paper Maché Mountains, the history of Minas Troney, the entire food inventory of the Goode Eates, and much more.

Finmandos12 · 10-03-2001, 09:15 PM

I remember those metal dragon thingees, Gothmog! Are they from Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin in BLT?
Nice to have new person Gothmog.

Darkhalcyon · 10-05-2001, 02:44 PM

Tom Bombadil. i haven't the faintest idea of what he is, except that he's a really woerd (in a good way) fellow.

galadriel · 10-06-2001, 12:06 AM

The Druedain were strange and cool. Ghan-buri-ghan is great! He's so awkward in comparison with the lofty men and elves of LOTR, and yet he somehow fits into Middle-earth perfectly.

Tom Bombadil is definitely up there on the strangest list. The Ents were bizarre as well.

Selwythe · 10-06-2001, 02:39 PM

Definitely the Ents. The others like Elves, Hobbits, Men etc extended my imagination but Ent was too far.

Not surprising that in later fantasy novels/themes/games etc., very little have an Ent-like creature.

Hey wait, I'm an Ent on Entmoot, damn.

Bregalad · 10-23-2001, 08:45 PM

Now, I don't want to be too hasty, but I have to agree with Ents being some strange characters. Esecially those who have gotten "tree-ish". I've always wondered if Old Man Willow was a tree-ish Ent, or an Ent-ish tree?

Ñólendil · 10-24-2001, 01:46 AM

An Entish tree, if you ask me.

Kirinki54 · 11-01-2001, 09:48 AM

Ungoliant was a pretty weird creature when you think about it.
How did she ever manage to gobble all the juice from the Trees (AND still be hungry)?
What happened to that energy; was it corrupted, spread out, what?
And where did she go herself?
Are the spiders in The Hobbit and LotR her children? Shelob and the creatures of the Mirkwood? Are they then Maiar or what? How could they then be so easily defeated by Hobbits and other Mortals.

afro-elf · 11-01-2001, 10:59 AM

i think those who post on entmoot are the strangest of tolkien's creatures

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-01-2001, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Kirinki54
Ungoliant was a pretty weird creature when you think about it.
How did she ever manage to gobble all the juice from the Trees (AND still be hungry)?
What happened to that energy; was it corrupted, spread out, what?
And where did she go herself?
Are the spiders in The Hobbit and LotR her children? Shelob and the creatures of the Mirkwood? Are they then Maiar or what? How could they then be so easily defeated by Hobbits and other Mortals.

I don't think any of the spiders in the books were Maiar. The Silmarillion says that Ungoliant appears in no other tale and in her great hunger, she devoured herself. Yes, Shelob and her children were offspring of Ungoliant. After Ungoliant drained the Two trees, it says that she became an enormous size, so I would think that is what became of the energy if it was that.

Kirinki54 · 11-01-2001, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
i think those who post on entmoot are the strangest of tolkien's creatures

Good point, Afro-elf!

Though I think the good Prof. had no idea what he really started...

Kirinki54 · 11-01-2001, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I don't think any of the spiders in the books were Maiar. The Silmarillion says that Ungoliant appears in no other tale and in her great hunger, she devoured herself. Yes, Shelob and her children were offspring of Ungoliant. After Ungoliant drained the Two trees, it says that she became an enormous size, so I would think that is what became of the energy if it was that.

She became enormous, and then ate herself, and then she was gone and all that Tree-sap with her? Sort of like an arachnid black hole...

But she was a Maiar, wasn´t she? So it´s funny if her offspring were not too. (And who was Mr Ungol BTW?)

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-01-2001, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kirinki54

She became enormous, and then ate herself, and then she was gone and all that Tree-sap with her? Sort of like an arachnid black hole...

But she was a Maiar, wasn´t she? So it´s funny if her offspring were not too. (And who was Mr Ungol BTW?)

I don't know who Mr. Ungol was, maybe it was Mr. Morgoth. Seriously though, I think you are right about Ungoliant being a Maia. It does not say for sure but implies that it is most likely. The Sil says that she may have devoured herself yes.

10-02-2001, 12:13 PM	#1
Siggles Sapling Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 4	The strangest of all Tolkien's creatures? I think they have to be the stone giants in the Hobbit. How come we never hear about them anywhere else. Who would they have fought for in the war of the ring? Where did they go? What were they doing up there?

10-02-2001, 04:58 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	They needn't have fought in the War of the Ring at all, and perhaps did not. Not everyone was on one side or the other. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

10-02-2001, 05:45 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Congrats! I was actually going to mention Tom as one of the Knee-walking Turkeys, but forgot. No good now, unless you don't mind me editing my post and deleting yours __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

10-03-2001, 12:19 AM	#7
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	May seem a little surprising...Elves! Because they are far different than Elves in other literature! BTW...Welcome to Entmoot, Gothmog35! __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

10-03-2001, 04:57 PM	#8
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Welcome Gothmog! Comic Book Guy, you should definitely buy Vol. XIII of HoMe, there's a lot of other great information in there: Paper Maché Mountains, the history of Minas Troney, the entire food inventory of the Goode Eates, and much more. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

10-02-2001, 05:30 PM	#3
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	No mention of the Knee-Walking Turkeys as the strangest creature, eh Inoldonil? P.S It's my Hundredth post hurrah!!

10-02-2001, 06:05 PM	#5
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	I’m intrigued by these Knee Walking Turkeys, all I know is the information Inoldonil gave us. Is it worth buying HoME XIII just to find out about these fascinating creatures alone or does it have any other information that a curious young person such as myself might enjoy reading? Also I believe the Men to be the strangest of all Tolkien’s creatures, even if it was based on some other beings from other tales. Mainly because every other creature has mortal advantages other them, but this isn’t the thread to discuss that.

10-02-2001, 08:09 PM	#6
Gothmog35 Sapling Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: TX. Posts: 1	I think that the siege dragons of iron(like the ones created for the destruction of Gondolin)are weird. I can't tell, but it seems they are dragons made of metal.

10-03-2001, 09:15 PM	#9
Finmandos12 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 327	I remember those metal dragon thingees, Gothmog! Are they from Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin in BLT? Nice to have new person Gothmog. __________________ The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

10-05-2001, 02:44 PM	#10
Darkhalcyon Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a boring little town not too far from manhattan Posts: 140	Tom Bombadil. i haven't the faintest idea of what he is, except that he's a really woerd (in a good way) fellow. __________________ Absolute power corrupts. Knowledge is power. Study hard, be evil.

10-06-2001, 12:06 AM	#11
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	The Druedain were strange and cool. Ghan-buri-ghan is great! He's so awkward in comparison with the lofty men and elves of LOTR, and yet he somehow fits into Middle-earth perfectly. Tom Bombadil is definitely up there on the strangest list. The Ents were bizarre as well. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

10-06-2001, 02:39 PM	#12
Selwythe Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 221	Definitely the Ents. The others like Elves, Hobbits, Men etc extended my imagination but Ent was too far. Not surprising that in later fantasy novels/themes/games etc., very little have an Ent-like creature. Hey wait, I'm an Ent on Entmoot, damn. __________________ If I say you have a beautiful body, will you hold it against me?

10-23-2001, 08:45 PM	#13
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	Now, I don't want to be too hasty, but I have to agree with Ents being some strange characters. Esecially those who have gotten "tree-ish". I've always wondered if Old Man Willow was a tree-ish Ent, or an Ent-ish tree? __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot. Last edited by Bregalad : 10-23-2001 at 08:51 PM.

10-24-2001, 01:46 AM	#14
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	An Entish tree, if you ask me. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-01-2001, 09:48 AM	#15
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Ungoliant Ungoliant was a pretty weird creature when you think about it. How did she ever manage to gobble all the juice from the Trees (AND still be hungry)? What happened to that energy; was it corrupted, spread out, what? And where did she go herself? Are the spiders in The Hobbit and LotR her children? Shelob and the creatures of the Mirkwood? Are they then Maiar or what? How could they then be so easily defeated by Hobbits and other Mortals.

11-01-2001, 10:59 AM	#16
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i think those who post on entmoot are the strangest of tolkien's creatures __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

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