Walk The Real Tolkien Trail. - Page 2

***Rían*** · 01-24-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
I'm pushing 'Letters' again. There you will find Tolkien's view of different aspects in society, together with his own comments on his authorship and his work.

(I'm amazed Rian hasn't been here before me )

*puff, puff* sorry I'm late, I've been kinda busy ... yes, "Letters" is fascinating and gives lots of insights into his life. Highly recommended! There's some really funny comments about Americans in there, too - I think he thought them pretty uncouth

*picks her teeth*

BeardofPants · 01-24-2003, 05:37 PM

Yeah, isn't there a bit where he puzzles over the usage of "Gee Whiz!"

Insidious Rex · 01-24-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Much more

Hey you guys are all Vikings to me.

But I was referring to swedes, norwegians, and finns when i said scandinavians. am i missing anything?

Falagar · 01-24-2003, 07:27 PM

The Danes, I think, are counted among us "Scanis"

The Lady of Ithilien · 01-24-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Sis GH: Do we know if he knew TH White at all? I think they were contemporary.

That's such an interesting question, I did a Web search through Google. Am still going through the results, but one result thus far is that T.H. White, who was younger than JRRT, had no association with the Inklings (per The Mythopoeic Society). (Check out the home page too, via the link at the bottom; this is a terrific source.)

Also, White seems to have been associated with Cambridge, though am not sure of the details; that might have put him completely out of JRRT's universe.

congressmn · 01-25-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by The Lady of Ithilien
That's such an interesting question, I did a Web search through Google. Am still going through the results, but one result thus far is that T.H. White, who was younger than JRRT, had no association with the Inklings (per The Mythopoeic Society). (Check out the home page too, via the link at the bottom; this is a terrific source.)

Also, White seems to have been associated with Cambridge, though am not sure of the details; that might have put him completely out of JRRT's universe.

Great link Lady of Ithelien.
it includes evrything.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
Yeah, isn't there a bit where he puzzles over the usage of "Gee Whiz!"

An American boy sent him a letter about the Hobbit, in which he included the phrase Gee Whiz! was included. Tolkien sent a letter to Christopher which included part of that letter. At the bottom, he said, "It's nice to find that little American boys do really still say 'Gee Whiz'."

***Jonathan*** · 01-25-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Ehrrmm - Scandinavia is more than Sweden. *wipes off smile on Jonathan's face*

Of course, but it was when Lalaith spoke of Sweden when I started to think about the Norse mythology

*wears an unremovable smile and puts a smile in every Norwegian, Danish, and Icelandic member's face* (Hey, Iceland is not part of Scandinavia

)

Woodenpipe · 01-25-2003, 05:23 PM

As hobinator said in an earlier reply, the third disk in the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring DVD package has a nice bit of information regarding Tolkien.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 06:15 PM

*Scowls darkly at all the smiling Scandinavians*

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 05:18 AM

I think it is an important and funny fact that Tolkien first concidered Middle-earth to be England and then dropped this idea completely.
Do you all remember the introduction in the LOTR? (if it is included in the books you have). There he mentiones that LOTR has not allegory at all.

***Jonathan*** · 01-26-2003, 05:33 AM

The elves sailing West = Emigrating Europeans who go to America?
The War of the Ring, The Western countries versus the Eastern ones = The Cold War?
The Two Towers = World Trade Center?

Though LotR was written before WTC was even concidered to be built, and I think it was written before the Cold War as well.
No, even though there are somethings which ressembles real events, Tolkien didn't have any allegories at all.

Artanis · 01-26-2003, 06:01 AM

*still smiling*

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Originally posted by Jonathan
The elves sailing West = Emigrating Europeans who go to America?

LOL! The idea of America representing the Undying Lands ...

Falagar · 01-26-2003, 06:33 AM

Who then are the Valars?

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 08:41 AM

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Who then are the Valars?

I think George W. Bush would consider himself beeing Manwe. *gg*

***Jonathan*** · 01-26-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I think George W. Bush would consider himself beeing Manwe. *gg*

If George W. Bush is Manwë, then the Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeldt must be Tulkas. Vice Secretary of Defence Wolfowitz is Oromë. The Minister of Foreign Affairs Colin Powell could be Ulmo.
Of course, many people would claim that Bush is not Manwë, but Melkor

And by the way, nice avatar Lalaith! That white dress of Éowyn really look good on her.

Insidious Rex · 01-27-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Jonathan
If George W. Bush is Manwë, then the Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeldt must be Tulkas. Vice Secretary of Defence Wolfowitz is Oromë. The Minister of Foreign Affairs Colin Powell could be Ulmo.
Of course, many people would claim that Bush is not Manwë, but Melkor

I think America is more like those elves that were really good at making the rings and were talked into making the rings of power by vile despots who happened to be enemies of their enemies. but the american elves were decieved later when the weapons (rings) were used against the elves allies which lead of course to the american elves bombing the crap out of the far east of middle earth and calling them all "terrorist orcs" and "an axis of evil".

congressmn · 01-27-2003, 06:20 AM

O this thread has turned around quite remarkably.

I have a crazy idea.

Why dont we devide Earth to resemble the various places in Middle Earth?

Like Gondor could be Eurorope. Mordor - Afghanistan extending till Iraq, and Pakistan on the East.

I think i will try to do this.
Let us all prepare our maps, and share it.

Lets see who gets the best one.

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 07:52 AM

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Like Gondor could be Eurorope

Then the place where I live would be Minas Tirith and I would be the steward or the queen Tar-Lalaith. (Not that my village is that big, but because I live there it should be the capital).

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 07:56 AM

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Of course, many people would claim that Bush is not Manwë, but Melkor

I would consider him as Melkor too. But he would consider himself beeing Manwe.
But anyway, I don't want to have a politic discussion about George W. Bush. that could upset some people.

01-24-2003, 05:37 PM	#22
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yeah, isn't there a bit where he puzzles over the usage of "Gee Whiz!" __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-24-2003, 07:27 PM	#24
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	The Danes, I think, are counted among us "Scanis" __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-25-2003, 06:15 PM	#30
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Scowls darkly at all the smiling Scandinavians __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-26-2003, 05:18 AM	#31
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I think it is an important and funny fact that Tolkien first concidered Middle-earth to be England and then dropped this idea completely. Do you all remember the introduction in the LOTR? (if it is included in the books you have). There he mentiones that LOTR has not allegory at all. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-26-2003, 05:33 AM	#32
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	The elves sailing West = Emigrating Europeans who go to America? The War of the Ring, The Western countries versus the Eastern ones = The Cold War? The Two Towers = World Trade Center? Though LotR was written before WTC was even concidered to be built, and I think it was written before the Cold War as well. No, even though there are somethings which ressembles real events, Tolkien didn't have any allegories at all. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

01-25-2003, 05:23 PM	#29
Woodenpipe Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 5	As hobinator said in an earlier reply, the third disk in the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring DVD package has a nice bit of information regarding Tolkien.

01-26-2003, 06:33 AM	#34
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Who then are the Valars? __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-27-2003, 06:20 AM	#38
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	O this thread has turned around quite remarkably. I have a crazy idea. Why dont we devide Earth to resemble the various places in Middle Earth? Like Gondor could be Eurorope. Mordor - Afghanistan extending till Iraq, and Pakistan on the East. I think i will try to do this. Let us all prepare our maps, and share it. Lets see who gets the best one. __________________ i am nothing. i am a cold stone, which deceives with the light it reflects, giving illusions of warmth.

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