Theoden, Eomer and Wormtounge & Frodo, Sam and Gollum

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-17-2004, 01:21 PM

I've recently noticed a similarty between the Theoden, Wormtounge, Eomer triangle and the Frodo, Gollum, Sam triangle.

1) Gollum and Wormtounge counsel their masters against the other member of the 'triangle'

2) The masters (Frodo and Theoden) become weaker because of these evil rumors and counsels and hearken to them.

3) Because of these things the other members of the triangle (Sam and Eomer) are sent away.

4) They both return in heroic circumstances to save their masters.

Anyone agree?

Turambar1982 · 10-20-2004, 01:15 PM

Good point you make there, although one could argue that Sam returned of free will and Eomer because he was "found" and tken to Helms Deep by Gandalf.

Lenya · 10-20-2004, 05:09 PM

I wouldn't say that Theoden was really Wormtongue's master. Wormtongue merely wormed himself in there to fulfill his true master's comands.

me9996 · 11-28-2004, 11:32 AM

You're good at this!!!

Pytt · 11-28-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

I've recently noticed a similarty between the Theoden, Wormtounge, Eomer triangle and the Frodo, Gollum, Sam triangle.

1) Gollum and Wormtounge counsel their masters against the other member of the 'triangle'

2) The masters (Frodo and Theoden) become weaker because of these evil rumors and counsels and hearken to them.

3) Because of these things the other members of the triangle (Sam and Eomer) are sent away.

4) They both return in heroic circumstances to save their masters.

Anyone agree?

yes, good points TD.
I was about to say it was only in the movies Sam was sent away, but I realized that may be the reason you've put this thread unde "Movies"

10-17-2004, 01:21 PM	#1
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Theoden, Eomer and Wormtounge & Frodo, Sam and Gollum I've recently noticed a similarty between the Theoden, Wormtounge, Eomer triangle and the Frodo, Gollum, Sam triangle. 1) Gollum and Wormtounge counsel their masters against the other member of the 'triangle' 2) The masters (Frodo and Theoden) become weaker because of these evil rumors and counsels and hearken to them. 3) Because of these things the other members of the triangle (Sam and Eomer) are sent away. 4) They both return in heroic circumstances to save their masters. Anyone agree? __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

10-20-2004, 01:15 PM	#2
Turambar1982 Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: gera, thuringia, germany Posts: 29	Good point you make there, although one could argue that Sam returned of free will and Eomer because he was "found" and tken to Helms Deep by Gandalf.

10-20-2004, 05:09 PM	#3
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	I wouldn't say that Theoden was really Wormtongue's master. Wormtongue merely wormed himself in there to fulfill his true master's comands.