tobacco and pipe weed

katya · 08-19-2002, 06:03 PM

in the hobbit it is mentioned that bilbo smokes tobacco, in a couple places i can think of. do you think it was meant to be pipe weed or whatever, and perhaps tolkien didnt want to mention that yet, or whatever, or does anyone know about that?

markedel · 08-19-2002, 06:30 PM

It's some type of nicotine. Check "Concerning Hobbits"

webwizard333 · 08-20-2002, 09:00 AM

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perhaps tolkien didnt want to mention that yet, or whatever

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by your second question.

barrelrider110 · 08-20-2002, 10:46 AM

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do you think it was meant to be pipe weed or whatever, and perhaps tolkien didnt want to mention that yet, or whatever

I think katya is referring to the fact that the herb smoked by the hobbits is tobacco in The Hobbit and pipeweed in LoTR. In any event, its the same thing. Tolkien uses different names frequently for the same thing or person (Orcs and Goblins another prime example). It goes along with the diversity he created among the peoples of middle earth, their languages, their customs, etc. I used to find it annoying but I have come to treasure this unique aspect of the professor's writing as part of the depth of imagination that is ever present in these sagas.

katya · 08-20-2002, 11:54 AM

thank you. that is pretty much what i thought. i was going to ask about the goblins and orcs too because it is a little confusing but i just figured they were the same.

markedel · 08-20-2002, 05:07 PM

The hobbit wasn't orginally set in Middle Earth, later on it was grafted, via some editing onto the timeline of LOTR and I suppose the Silmarillion. The differences in language are because of what each book is. One's a children's tale of "fairy" while the other is a history of middle-earth.

katya · 08-24-2002, 03:41 PM

that makes a lot of sense. thank you

Lotesse · 08-18-2005, 11:24 PM

*bump*

Am I the only one who thinks Merry and Pippin were a little stoned when they were chilling on the ruins of Isengard? And yes, in reference to the book. What, exactly, IS "pipeweed"? Like maybe a cross between pot 'n tobacco, perhaps...

***Valandil*** · 08-19-2005, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotesse

Am I the only one...

There are two... you and Peter Jackson.

barrelrider110 · 08-19-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotesse

*bump*

Am I the only one who thinks Merry and Pippin were a little stoned when they were chilling on the ruins of Isengard? And yes, in reference to the book. What, exactly, IS "pipeweed"? Like maybe a cross between pot 'n tobacco, perhaps...

Hobbits don't need pot to act silly, particularly Pippin.

In the prologue it says pipe weed is "probably as species of nicotania which is tobacco.

They did enjoy their beer tho

The Witch-King of Angmar · 08-19-2005, 09:06 AM

According to the Hobbit, Middle Earth is basically Earth ages ago... we have different smokables why can't they?

barrelrider110 · 08-19-2005, 09:11 AM

What you say is true Witch King (BTW I like your avatar)

JRRT enjoyed his pipe. I don't think he got high.

I think people are reading way too much into it.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 08-19-2005, 09:14 AM

Thanks. Does anyone know if the Hobbit will be made a movie?

barrelrider110 · 08-19-2005, 09:18 AM

New Line bought the rights to make the movie but MGM has distribution rights. PJ wants to do it, but they have to wait till the lawyers do their thing.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 08-19-2005, 09:27 AM

Wow thats great, is it confirmed?

08-19-2002, 06:03 PM	#1
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	tobacco and pipe weed in the hobbit it is mentioned that bilbo smokes tobacco, in a couple places i can think of. do you think it was meant to be pipe weed or whatever, and perhaps tolkien didnt want to mention that yet, or whatever, or does anyone know about that?

08-19-2002, 06:30 PM	#2
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	It's some type of nicotine. Check "Concerning Hobbits" __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-20-2002, 05:07 PM	#6
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	The hobbit wasn't orginally set in Middle Earth, later on it was grafted, via some editing onto the timeline of LOTR and I suppose the Silmarillion. The differences in language are because of what each book is. One's a children's tale of "fairy" while the other is a history of middle-earth. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-18-2005, 11:24 PM	#8
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	bump Am I the only one who thinks Merry and Pippin were a little stoned when they were chilling on the ruins of Isengard? And yes, in reference to the book. What, exactly, IS "pipeweed"? Like maybe a cross between pot 'n tobacco, perhaps... __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

08-19-2005, 09:06 AM	#11
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	According to the Hobbit, Middle Earth is basically Earth ages ago... we have different smokables why can't they? __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys

08-20-2002, 11:54 AM	#5
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	thank you. that is pretty much what i thought. i was going to ask about the goblins and orcs too because it is a little confusing but i just figured they were the same.

08-24-2002, 03:41 PM	#7
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	that makes a lot of sense. thank you

08-19-2005, 09:11 AM	#12
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	What you say is true Witch King (BTW I like your avatar) JRRT enjoyed his pipe. I don't think he got high. I think people are reading way too much into it. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling

08-19-2005, 09:14 AM	#13
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	Thanks. Does anyone know if the Hobbit will be made a movie? __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys

08-19-2005, 09:18 AM	#14
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	New Line bought the rights to make the movie but MGM has distribution rights. PJ wants to do it, but they have to wait till the lawyers do their thing. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling

08-19-2005, 09:27 AM	#15
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	Wow thats great, is it confirmed? __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys