samwise the down trodden help!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

true, but Frodo left pretty soon after his return, so there weren't really any bagginses left to look upon as odd...

Sure, there was other Bagginses, but not any as "odd" as old Bilbo or Frodo.

...Merry and Pippen the major attention seekers.

I wouldn't call them "attention seekers", but rather hobbits who have experienced much and are representing far away places in a somewhat secluded land.

bilbo...as he was the only real baggins.

Explain that please. He was half Took.

[King of The Istari]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Frodo was definitely regarded as a hero outside the Shire. That's what I meant when I said he and Sam were regarded as heroes of the Third Age. Within the Shire, Merry and Pippin were the big heroes, with Sam to a lesser degree. Only Frodo went unrecognized in the Shire.

It was nine times in a row.

Frodo only went unrecognised because when he returned he was considered as odd as Bilbo for going off and having an adventure, Merry and Pippin were more important in the shire because they were the only Hobbits ever to be Knighted by Men and to be considered the equalls of Men

I know outside the Shire Frodo and Sam were more important than both merry and pippin but the shire folk don't know that because they see that Merry and Pippin have Fancy titles and Frodo doesn't talk about what happened on his adventure he is just considered odd

[King of The Istari]

Originally Posted by Meriadoc Brandybuck

Sure, there was other Bagginses, but not any as "odd" as old Bilbo or Frodo.
I wouldn't call them "attention seekers", but rather hobbits who have experienced much and are representing far away places in a somewhat secluded land.
Explain that please. He was half Took.

Frodo was half Brandybuck half Baggins

[Spock]

Actually Frodo was adopted by Bilbo and so a Baggins in name only.

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Spock

Actually Frodo was adopted by Bilbo and so a Baggins in name only.

But his father was a Baggins as well - so Frodo's surname was 'Baggins' from birth... and he was a Baggins by birth every bit as much as Bilbo.

[The Gaffer]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Sam under-appreciates himself, which is the leading cause of any Sam under-appreciation. IIRC, Sam was flabbergasted when Frodo suggested he run for mayor. Which he then did, and won, nine times. I guess he's pretty well appreciated after all.
Not to mention that, outside of the Shire, he and Frodo are regarded as the heroes of the Third Age. But other than that...

Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

[littleadanel]

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

Yes, it does make sense, I think... Sam lived a long and happy life in the Shire he had helped saving, but finally he sailed away too, being a Ringbearer as well. Maybe he was able to find his place in the "normal world" after all they had gone through because he had been Ringbearer only for a short time. He began to feel like Frodo felt only after many years, when he grew old. (And lost his Rosie...)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Originally Posted by King of The Istari

Frodo was half Brandybuck half Baggins

How did I get that wrong? *bangs head on wall*

[luvEyowen]

Originally Posted by Firekitten2006

Merry and Pippen the major attention seekers.

You spelled "Pippin" wrong.