only good advice givers and understanding people need apply

LuthienTinuviel · 03-27-2002, 06:19 PM

ok.. here's a little story that will help

somewhere in the middle of october 2001, i stopped doing drugs, smoking and drinking(hooray for me)
i was sick of the lifestyle.. i mean, one day i just woke up and realised that all my friends were dopes, and all they cared about was geting money and their next bowl or next hit or next pack of smokes was coming from. i hated feeling so dependant no such a thing. it made me feel like less of a person.. so i grew up .
well, now i realised that the world is a scary place.. and that i didn't want to grow up, or be intelligent, because it made me sad. i was depressed because i knew that all people (around me) were very shallow, stupid and just plain ig-nor-an- tee
well i didn't like that either. i was extremely alone.

then one day i got extremely sick of it all, i developed a very bleak out look on life and only after a few weeks, i kind of (well i DID) revert back to who i was in the beggining. the ignorant, dumb, underground user.
ive never known it to be so comfortable. it is easier to be ignorant, than to be smart.

so.. the question...

do you think i am right for doing this?

olsonm · 03-27-2002, 06:37 PM

Tolkien said LoTR was about Death and the desire for Deathlessness. Or, you might say, Pain and the desire for Painlessness. I don't have an answer for you, but reality is REAL, and you can't hide from it. Will you attempt to hide in Lothlorien with your 'magic ring', will you despair like Denthor, will you look for an easy way like Saruman or will you participate in life as it is like Frodo. You only have one life. Live it.

Nibs · 03-27-2002, 10:32 PM

Yes! Like unto Frodo, take what gifts in life you are given, though they may seem difficult to utilize, for they can be used for good after all. You may lose things along the road... friends, family, maybe even a finger

, but keep plugging away! Though your losses may seem of an unbearable magnitude at the time, the end will show that you lose very little.

I hope this helps... maybe my optimism will prove contagious.

LuthienTinuviel · 03-27-2002, 10:38 PM

ive still got a small bit of time where i can still not care.. ya think that after that... i have to have face reality. yes, it's ugly i know i have to meet up with it sooner or larter, but why not try to preserve what's left of my "fun" before i am forced to quit by life. i don't know..
"even the wisest cannot see to all ends"
so i guess i get up off my arse or get fuc*ed when the horseee comes thru.

woo hoo

edit: these are all mindless blabberings. i just need to get them out somewhere. sorry if i disturbed anyone.

i need to get out of my fanasy worlds.. nothing's perfect, and no amount of hiding can .. well hide it..
not like im going to stop reading tolkien, no no.. i just need to stop pretending..

look, even you guys try and fix real world problems with tolkien-isms..

it not real
it not real it not real..
maybe if i keep repeating this agaian and again, it will go away.

this is the stuff of die-arys and journals.. please, let my shame sink to the bottom of the moot and there maybe it can be forgotton.

olsonm · 03-27-2002, 10:39 PM

Luthien, do you believe you could be depressed? Clinically I mean.

Nibs · 03-27-2002, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
look, even you guys try and fix real world problems with tolkien-isms..

it not real
it not real it not real..

This I realize. I'd list off verses of scriptures that inspire me personally, but I doubt that would make you feel any better. I think we just tried to liken it to something that you would understand easily.

And I find LotR inspiring even though it is a fantasy tale. Little guy, tough odds, comes out on top in the end. Great stuff.

I don't know where to go from here... try doing something kind for someone else. Service always makes me warm and fuzzy inside.

Starr Polish · 03-27-2002, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
do you think i am right for doing this?

Right in my opinion? No, but as you said, it is easier to be ignorant or, "Ignorance is bliss". But it isn't really, because once you finally get torn out of your ignorance it's pretty painful.

I can't offer much advice, since the only time I've ever been asked questions like this, I lost a friend, but I am always willing to talk if you want to IM, private message or e-mail me, and you are in my prayers.

olsonm · 03-27-2002, 11:31 PM

As I said I have no answers for you Luthien. Starr Polish is right, you are in our prayers.

The point of my post was that death (and pain) are realities. Hiding from them does nothing. However, it is your life and how you choose to live it is your own buisness.

Renille · 03-27-2002, 11:41 PM

The one thing I think I can say is that though pretending is a really great thing and you need to do a little of it, the real world holds infinitely more beautiful things. Just take a deep breath, look around, and when you look hard enough, you'll see them. Life may be tough, but we wouldn't be here if it was impossible.

I'll be here, too. email me if you need to, Luthien. You're a cool poster, and you're in my prayers as well!

mirrille · 03-28-2002, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
then one day i got extremely sick of it all, i developed a very bleak out look on life and only after a few weeks, i kind of (well i DID) revert back to who i was in the beggining. the ignorant, dumb, underground user.
ive never known it to be so comfortable. it is easier to be ignorant, than to be smart.

so.. the question...

do you think i am right for doing this?

The question is: what do you think you should do?

All the encouragement in the world can't do anything for you unless you are truly ready to change yourself and face the world. But that motivation has to come from you. You sound like you know what you really need to do, but you are having trouble holding onto it, because you felt bad enough about regressing to tell us about it. If you are willing to try, we are willing to help. Please try to help yourself. We'll be here if you need it.

**crickhollow** · 03-28-2002, 01:23 AM

Luthien, I was almost crying as I read your post. I collect quotes from famous people, and I have a whole slew of inspiring ones, but they all seem too trivial to give to a hurting heart.
Please think about taking olsonm seriously on this one (who would have thought?

). Depression is a hard thing to deal with.
I've added you to my buddy list (I'm windypoplars8118), feel free to talk, or just plain vent.

Cirdan · 03-28-2002, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
i..please, let my shame sink to the bottom of the moot and there maybe it can be forgotton.

There is no shame in thinking about, and asking for, help to fix your life. Don't be impatient with yourself and expect everything to change overnight. The problem didn't arise that way. Take some time to think about who you want to be in five, ten, or fifteen years. Think about, and ask for advice on, the means to make your goals a reality. Write it down. Keep it with you. Find a new freind or friends outside your social circle to make sure your transition is not lonely. Users don't like to see other people get straight. PM anytime you are in doubt or feeling weak. Best of luck. When you fall down the next logical step is to stand back up, then decide were you want togo.

Evenstar · 03-28-2002, 07:18 AM

HI! Ok I'm just gonna go straight into it!! Believe me when I say I know how it feels to absolutely hate this world!!!
I may not know how you feel or understand what you are going through because we all take things in and feel things in different ways, but I do know what it is like to feel lonely and scared and mad at everyone and everything!!! And I'm not just talking about when it is that time of the month either!!
Anyways, I live in fantasy worlds because I don't like the one I live in....but I don't agree with drugs!! I don't know what kinds of drugs you are talking about...whether it is pot of ecstacy...but wither way...I'm sorry but I do not believe it is right what you are doing!!
No one is asking you to be smart all of a sudden...and it will take time adjusting to this so called life...but it will be worth it in the end...
As someone asked before...the question is ...do you think it is the right thing to do!! Do you really want to stay sad and confused forever???
Take a deep breath and look deep inside yourself and find out what YOU want to do!!
And just think of all the money you will be saving to buy lots of pretty things!!!

Feel free to PM me anytime!! Or ignore me if you think I am stupid...it's up to you!!!!

galadriel88 · 03-28-2002, 11:18 AM

First off, let me say that along with everyone else who has said so, I am praying for you, Luthien. Jesus knows what you're going through - He got just about as depressed as anyone can get when He was here on earth, knowing that He would die a cruel and slow death, and unjustly at that.

Luthien, let me tell you something. I have been blessed with the ability to be, for lack of a better word, smart. And you know what? I get made fun of for it. A lot. It used to get me down all the time, and I wished I was just a mediocre student, just another face in the crowd. It would be so much easier that way! And I was right, it would be. But then I realized that the easiest way is not always the best way. If you can, and want to, be intelligent, then why not do it? Why settle for less than your best? Because if you do, you will never be thoroughly satisfied with yourself. About your friends being, as you put it, "shallow, stupid, and just plain ig-no-ran-tee". I'll be willing to bet that you know at least one person who is intelligent. I know you are smart, Luthien. You have made some very intelligent posts on the moot. And I'm sure you have been told the effects of drugs and alchohol on your life, so I won't get into those. All I have to say is, if you don't face your challenges, they will grow bigger and bigger, and get harder to face than ever before. Take that for what it's worth, I'm no professional advisor, but I do like helping people.

galadriel88 · 03-28-2002, 11:19 AM

Oh, I forgot to add, you can pm or email me anytime, if you feel like it!

Laurelyn · 03-28-2002, 11:51 AM

All I can do is give you encouragement . . . it's, challenging though this may seem, up to you to get yourself out of the hole you've fallen into. But little though I can do, I, and the other Mooters as well, will be here for you to lean on.
I'll be here for whatever I'm worth . . . feel free to mail me, talk to me or simply vent all your anger. I know what it's like to not be listened to; it sucks, so I promise I will listen.
We really do all appreciate you, Luthien; the Moot wouldn't be the same without you. You're smart, and you always have something nice to say. Truly . . . I mean it, I'm not just saying that to make you happy. I really mean it.

As for asking us whether we think what you have done is right, well, we can't really make that choice whether it is right or not. The true question here is: What do you think? Since you've brought it to our attention asking for help, then can you like it that much?
My opinion, if you really want it, is that it's not a great idea to contribute to the state the world is in, unless you're trying to fix it up. Will being ignorant change what you want to be ignorant of? If you truly want to ask me, I say the best way out is through . . . "if you don't vote, you can hardly complain about the outcome of the election."

Quote:

Originally sung by Lee Ann Womack
. . . I hope you never fear those mountains in the distance
Never settle for the path of least resistance
Living might mean taking chances, but they're worth taking
Loving might be a mistake but it's worth making
Don't let some helping heart leave you bitter
If you come close to selling out, reconsider . . .
(Time is a wheel in constant motion, always going on and on . . . Tell me who wants to look back on their years and wonder where those years have gone . . .)

Miriel Stormrider · 03-28-2002, 12:32 PM

Well, stoping the drugs was the first big step. and its alot better than 90% of people can do!

well, I think I know (sort of) about wanting to just not face reality, I almost never do (unless that reality includes the ent moot, gymnastics, or good food

) but I think that we all need to face it sooner than latter, but maybe not all at once.

I know that I'm most likly wrong about everything I just said but I hope that I'm helping even as I stumble through the dark if-you-know-what-I-mean.

P.S. Just like 90% (gosh i love saying that

) of the ent moot if you need to vent, talk, or whatever just P.M. me.

galadriel88 · 03-28-2002, 12:40 PM

Tessar, are you on under your sister's username again?

***Tessar*** · 03-28-2002, 12:47 PM

Huh? what do you mean? I'm on as me

Kyote Fields · 03-28-2002, 01:09 PM

*sighs deeply and mournfully*

I have no words.

*walks up to Luthien, places a friendly hand on her shoulder, prays for a peace that surpasses understanding*

May you find it.

03-27-2002, 06:19 PM	#1
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	only good advice givers and understanding people need apply ok.. here's a little story that will help somewhere in the middle of october 2001, i stopped doing drugs, smoking and drinking(hooray for me) i was sick of the lifestyle.. i mean, one day i just woke up and realised that all my friends were dopes, and all they cared about was geting money and their next bowl or next hit or next pack of smokes was coming from. i hated feeling so dependant no such a thing. it made me feel like less of a person.. so i grew up . well, now i realised that the world is a scary place.. and that i didn't want to grow up, or be intelligent, because it made me sad. i was depressed because i knew that all people (around me) were very shallow, stupid and just plain ig-nor-an- tee well i didn't like that either. i was extremely alone. then one day i got extremely sick of it all, i developed a very bleak out look on life and only after a few weeks, i kind of (well i DID) revert back to who i was in the beggining. the ignorant, dumb, underground user. ive never known it to be so comfortable. it is easier to be ignorant, than to be smart. so.. the question... do you think i am right for doing this? __________________

03-27-2002, 06:37 PM	#2
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Tolkien said LoTR was about Death and the desire for Deathlessness. Or, you might say, Pain and the desire for Painlessness. I don't have an answer for you, but reality is REAL, and you can't hide from it. Will you attempt to hide in Lothlorien with your 'magic ring', will you despair like Denthor, will you look for an easy way like Saruman or will you participate in life as it is like Frodo. You only have one life. Live it. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

03-27-2002, 10:32 PM	#3
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Yes! Like unto Frodo, take what gifts in life you are given, though they may seem difficult to utilize, for they can be used for good after all. You may lose things along the road... friends, family, maybe even a finger , but keep plugging away! Though your losses may seem of an unbearable magnitude at the time, the end will show that you lose very little. I hope this helps... maybe my optimism will prove contagious. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-27-2002, 10:38 PM	#4
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	ive still got a small bit of time where i can still not care.. ya think that after that... i have to have face reality. yes, it's ugly i know i have to meet up with it sooner or larter, but why not try to preserve what's left of my "fun" before i am forced to quit by life. i don't know.. "even the wisest cannot see to all ends" so i guess i get up off my arse or get fuced when the horseee comes thru. woo hoo edit: these are all mindless blabberings. i just need to get them out somewhere. sorry if i disturbed anyone. i need to get out of my fanasy worlds.. nothing's perfect, and no amount of hiding can .. well hide it.. not like im going to stop reading tolkien, no no.. i just need to stop pretending.. look, even you guys try and fix real world problems with tolkien-isms.. it not real it not real it not real.. maybe if i keep repeating this agaian and again, it will go away. this is the stuff of die-arys and journals.. please, let my shame sink to the bottom of the moot and there maybe it can be forgotton. __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 03-27-2002 at 10:42 PM.*

03-27-2002, 10:39 PM	#5
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Luthien, do you believe you could be depressed? Clinically I mean. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

03-27-2002, 11:31 PM	#8
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	As I said I have no answers for you Luthien. Starr Polish is right, you are in our prayers. The point of my post was that death (and pain) are realities. Hiding from them does nothing. However, it is your life and how you choose to live it is your own buisness. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!! Last edited by olsonm : 03-27-2002 at 11:35 PM.

03-27-2002, 11:41 PM	#9
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	The one thing I think I can say is that though pretending is a really great thing and you need to do a little of it, the real world holds infinitely more beautiful things. Just take a deep breath, look around, and when you look hard enough, you'll see them. Life may be tough, but we wouldn't be here if it was impossible. I'll be here, too. email me if you need to, Luthien. You're a cool poster, and you're in my prayers as well! __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

03-28-2002, 01:23 AM	#11
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	Luthien, I was almost crying as I read your post. I collect quotes from famous people, and I have a whole slew of inspiring ones, but they all seem too trivial to give to a hurting heart. Please think about taking olsonm seriously on this one (who would have thought? ). Depression is a hard thing to deal with. I've added you to my buddy list (I'm windypoplars8118), feel free to talk, or just plain vent. __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

03-28-2002, 07:18 AM	#13
Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	HI! Ok I'm just gonna go straight into it!! Believe me when I say I know how it feels to absolutely hate this world!!! I may not know how you feel or understand what you are going through because we all take things in and feel things in different ways, but I do know what it is like to feel lonely and scared and mad at everyone and everything!!! And I'm not just talking about when it is that time of the month either!! Anyways, I live in fantasy worlds because I don't like the one I live in....but I don't agree with drugs!! I don't know what kinds of drugs you are talking about...whether it is pot of ecstacy...but wither way...I'm sorry but I do not believe it is right what you are doing!! No one is asking you to be smart all of a sudden...and it will take time adjusting to this so called life...but it will be worth it in the end... As someone asked before...the question is ...do you think it is the right thing to do!! Do you really want to stay sad and confused forever??? Take a deep breath and look deep inside yourself and find out what YOU want to do!! And just think of all the money you will be saving to buy lots of pretty things!!! Feel free to PM me anytime!! Or ignore me if you think I am stupid...it's up to you!!!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

03-28-2002, 11:18 AM	#14
galadriel88 Halfwitted Queen of Lothlorien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Far off in a dream Posts: 1,166	First off, let me say that along with everyone else who has said so, I am praying for you, Luthien. Jesus knows what you're going through - He got just about as depressed as anyone can get when He was here on earth, knowing that He would die a cruel and slow death, and unjustly at that. Luthien, let me tell you something. I have been blessed with the ability to be, for lack of a better word, smart. And you know what? I get made fun of for it. A lot. It used to get me down all the time, and I wished I was just a mediocre student, just another face in the crowd. It would be so much easier that way! And I was right, it would be. But then I realized that the easiest way is not always the best way. If you can, and want to, be intelligent, then why not do it? Why settle for less than your best? Because if you do, you will never be thoroughly satisfied with yourself. About your friends being, as you put it, "shallow, stupid, and just plain ig-no-ran-tee". I'll be willing to bet that you know at least one person who is intelligent. I know you are smart, Luthien. You have made some very intelligent posts on the moot. And I'm sure you have been told the effects of drugs and alchohol on your life, so I won't get into those. All I have to say is, if you don't face your challenges, they will grow bigger and bigger, and get harder to face than ever before. Take that for what it's worth, I'm no professional advisor, but I do like helping people. __________________ The beuatiful mind/The beautiful heart/Doesn't deserve the pain/How can I stop the rain? -How Can I Stop the Rain? by Kessid, my new favorite band +Every good thing that comes into my life is only a reflection of the greatest gift of all; the offering of yourself, dear Son of God+ Always remember, you're uniqe, just like everybody else! "The one constant through all the years has been the Trombone. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Its been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, but the Trombone has marked the time. This field, this section, this band is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again. Oh, people will come . . . people will most definitely come."

03-28-2002, 11:19 AM	#15
galadriel88 Halfwitted Queen of Lothlorien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Far off in a dream Posts: 1,166	Oh, I forgot to add, you can pm or email me anytime, if you feel like it! __________________ The beuatiful mind/The beautiful heart/Doesn't deserve the pain/How can I stop the rain? -How Can I Stop the Rain? by Kessid, my new favorite band +Every good thing that comes into my life is only a reflection of the greatest gift of all; the offering of yourself, dear Son of God+ Always remember, you're uniqe, just like everybody else! "The one constant through all the years has been the Trombone. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Its been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, but the Trombone has marked the time. This field, this section, this band is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again. Oh, people will come . . . people will most definitely come."

03-28-2002, 12:32 PM	#17
Miriel Stormrider Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: sigh Not Middle-Earth :...( Posts: 59	Well, stoping the drugs was the first big step. and its alot better than 90% of people can do! well, I think I know (sort of) about wanting to just not face reality, I almost never do (unless that reality includes the ent moot, gymnastics, or good food ) but I think that we all need to face it sooner than latter, but maybe not all at once. I know that I'm most likly wrong about everything I just said but I hope that I'm helping even as I stumble through the dark if-you-know-what-I-mean. P.S. Just like 90% (gosh i love saying that ) of the ent moot if you need to vent, talk, or whatever just P.M. me. __________________ Chants We Love Entmoot, Yes We Do! Please Get Rid of Black and Blue! ~ Miriel ~

03-28-2002, 12:40 PM	#18
galadriel88 Halfwitted Queen of Lothlorien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Far off in a dream Posts: 1,166	Tessar, are you on under your sister's username again? __________________ The beuatiful mind/The beautiful heart/Doesn't deserve the pain/How can I stop the rain? -How Can I Stop the Rain? by Kessid, my new favorite band +Every good thing that comes into my life is only a reflection of the greatest gift of all; the offering of yourself, dear Son of God+ Always remember, you're uniqe, just like everybody else! "The one constant through all the years has been the Trombone. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Its been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, but the Trombone has marked the time. This field, this section, this band is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again. Oh, people will come . . . people will most definitely come."

03-28-2002, 12:47 PM	#19
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	Huh? what do you mean? I'm on as me

03-28-2002, 01:09 PM	#20
Kyote Fields Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: California Posts: 218	sighs deeply and mournfully I have no words. walks up to Luthien, places a friendly hand on her shoulder, prays for a peace that surpasses understanding May you find it. __________________ No longer posting. If you'd like to write to me I can be reached at kyote_fields@hotmail.com. It was nice knowing all of you.