real combat w/ arms and armor

afro-elf · 04-16-2002, 02:40 AM

My view of combat have been shaped by movies.

So i'm looking for some real fact about combat

I AM NOT interested in fencing styles

I'l talking about
longswords, broadswords, scimatars,katana, kums, etc-

in books and movies swords are passed down through generations

but what about notching an breaking etc

i hope this is clear but i'm too fatigued to think clearly

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 08:05 AM

[Later Edit:]

***Tessar*** · 04-16-2002, 11:25 AM

Well, unless I'm very wrong all that stuff about "passing my blade on to you now" *boy pulls big unmarked shiny sword out of sheath*

Do you know where wooden swords came from? they are called wasters because the knights didn't want to hurt their swords when they were practicing.

You saw what sauron did to the blade when he stepped on it.
Almost anyone in armor could easily do that and brake the blade just like he did.

but in books the blades that get passed on are almost always magical, 99.9% they are some kind of unbreakable thing.

well sorry if that sounded like a lecture, it was.

j/k

elf_princess · 04-16-2002, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
in books and movies swords are passed down through generations

My family does that... we have this sword that belonged to my grandfather (many greats) who was in the civil war. Only problem is, it's getting passed down to my brother...

*Goes off into a corner and pouts*

Tinythetroll · 04-16-2002, 06:45 PM

How do you get it to say something better under yur name to the left?

Twilight · 04-16-2002, 06:56 PM

You have to post more to get it to change. Don't worry about it. I have an older brother who isn't so much into weapons. If I am lucky, I can get my dad to pass on his katana to me. It is a good weapon, but I prefer the staff myself. It doesn't work so well while an oponent is in armor, but luckily that doesn't seem to be a problem nowadays

Tinythetroll · 04-16-2002, 07:03 PM

ok so what we talking bout?

afro-elf · 04-16-2002, 09:09 PM

I made the proper edit above

it now reads
NOT interested in fencing

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 09:12 PM

Oh damn.

*Grabs box, and sadly leaves.*

afro-elf · 04-16-2002, 09:19 PM

You gotta stop this box thing

I can't type for laughing ( darn never could type anyway)

* takes box a strokes it* " its ok you're still the best box in ME. and thats saying a lot"

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
* takes box a strokes it* " its ok you're still the best box in ME. and thats saying a lot"

*A voice is heard offthread: "Who said you could stroke my box?"*

***azalea*** · 04-16-2002, 09:55 PM

Every year for my birthday and Christmas I would have "a sword" at the top of my list. I had info from a co. called Starfire that made "unusable" swords, but a real one would have been better. Finally, my grandparents gave me one that was passed to then from a great-aunt, but it is not really a real sword, I think it's a Civil War officers decorative sword.

Forget a gun for protection, I'd love to walk around with a sword. If a robber, cutthroat or highwayman came up to me I'd draw my blade!

afro-elf · 04-16-2002, 09:55 PM

* sadly desists stroking box*

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
* sadly desists stroking box*

Alright! Just this once, you can stroke my box, now give it back.

*Scuttle*

TinuvielChild · 04-16-2002, 11:16 PM

heeheehee...i fence, but i completely understand that this is NOT NOT NOT repeat NOT in any way, shape or form, related to that topic, so i will say that i like the way katanas look. and i don't really like short swords for no special reason, i just never really got to know one. *shrugs amicably*.

Menelvagor · 04-16-2002, 11:27 PM

I have fenced and I still attack people with my zoink *winks at TinuvielChild* but I think I am more of an archer at heart. I made a bow out of a peice of PVC pipe and string which works surprisingly well, but I have no good arrows. In reality (such as it is) I really don't know too much about it. Good question Afro elf!

BeardofPants · 04-17-2002, 09:02 AM

Well, my family heirloom aka The Box, can be doubled up, as armour, and weapondry...

TinuvielChild · 04-17-2002, 10:13 AM

oh yeah, thanx Menelvagor! hey AE, can we discuss zoinks on here too??? i love fencing but i too prefer archery although i never get a chance to do any. i have a friend who made himself a chain mail vest during studys, and he wears it all the time. it looks really cool.

afro-elf · 04-17-2002, 11:21 AM

well i was just looking for some answers to the durability of real weapons

***Earniel*** · 04-17-2002, 04:03 PM

Real swords?

Mmmm, let's see *accesses hard disc in Eärniel's mind* My, my what a load of junk in here, I should clear it out some day...Um never mind!

Anyway, if I remember correctly real swords, the type they used in wars and such were rather heavy and needed a LOT of maintenance to keep them from rusting. They weren't often that sharp either. (That MUST have hurt

) They were often dented and (how do you say that the edge isn't smooth anymore) notched (?) Knights had squires to look after their swords because it took such a lot of time.

I also seem to remember the swords used in battles were different from your every day sword: Longer, better maintenanced and heavier. You had to do a lot of swinging before you could do some damage, but when you did, you did some mayor damage. uck.

This I know for a fact (yeay i'm actually SURE about something) swords at the time of King Arthur (5th century) were very rare and very expensive. A sword at that time was a heirloom to be kept in honour. And only a select group of people had them.

Dunno if this is any useful to you....

04-16-2002, 02:40 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	real combat w/ arms and armor My view of combat have been shaped by movies. So i'm looking for some real fact about combat I AM NOT interested in fencing styles I'l talking about longswords, broadswords, scimatars,katana, kums, etc- in books and movies swords are passed down through generations but what about notching an breaking etc i hope this is clear but i'm too fatigued to think clearly __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 04-16-2002 at 09:07 PM.

04-16-2002, 08:05 AM	#2
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	[Later Edit:] __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 04-16-2002 at 10:49 PM.

04-16-2002, 06:56 PM	#6
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	You have to post more to get it to change. Don't worry about it. I have an older brother who isn't so much into weapons. If I am lucky, I can get my dad to pass on his katana to me. It is a good weapon, but I prefer the staff myself. It doesn't work so well while an oponent is in armor, but luckily that doesn't seem to be a problem nowadays __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

04-16-2002, 07:03 PM	#7
Tinythetroll Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wood River Posts: 29	ok so what we talking bout? __________________ Heres for the trees and heres for the grass if you dont like me song then kiss my a$$

04-16-2002, 09:09 PM	#8
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I made the proper edit above it now reads NOT interested in fencing __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-16-2002, 11:25 AM	#3
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	Well, unless I'm very wrong all that stuff about "passing my blade on to you now" boy pulls big unmarked shiny sword out of sheath Do you know where wooden swords came from? they are called wasters because the knights didn't want to hurt their swords when they were practicing. You saw what sauron did to the blade when he stepped on it. Almost anyone in armor could easily do that and brake the blade just like he did. but in books the blades that get passed on are almost always magical, 99.9% they are some kind of unbreakable thing. well sorry if that sounded like a lecture, it was. j/k

04-16-2002, 06:45 PM	#5
Tinythetroll Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wood River Posts: 29	How do you get it to say something better under yur name to the left?

04-16-2002, 09:12 PM	#9
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Oh damn. Grabs box, and sadly leaves. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-16-2002, 09:19 PM	#10
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	You gotta stop this box thing I can't type for laughing ( darn never could type anyway) * takes box a strokes it* " its ok you're still the best box in ME. and thats saying a lot" __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-16-2002, 09:55 PM	#12
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Every year for my birthday and Christmas I would have "a sword" at the top of my list. I had info from a co. called Starfire that made "unusable" swords, but a real one would have been better. Finally, my grandparents gave me one that was passed to then from a great-aunt, but it is not really a real sword, I think it's a Civil War officers decorative sword. Forget a gun for protection, I'd love to walk around with a sword. If a robber, cutthroat or highwayman came up to me I'd draw my blade!

04-16-2002, 09:55 PM	#13
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	* sadly desists stroking box* __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-16-2002, 11:16 PM	#15
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	heeheehee...i fence, but i completely understand that this is NOT NOT NOT repeat NOT in any way, shape or form, related to that topic, so i will say that i like the way katanas look. and i don't really like short swords for no special reason, i just never really got to know one. shrugs amicably. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-16-2002, 11:27 PM	#16
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	I have fenced and I still attack people with my zoink winks at TinuvielChild but I think I am more of an archer at heart. I made a bow out of a peice of PVC pipe and string which works surprisingly well, but I have no good arrows. In reality (such as it is) I really don't know too much about it. Good question Afro elf!

04-17-2002, 09:02 AM	#17
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Well, my family heirloom aka The Box, can be doubled up, as armour, and weapondry... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-17-2002, 10:13 AM	#18
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	oh yeah, thanx Menelvagor! hey AE, can we discuss zoinks on here too??? i love fencing but i too prefer archery although i never get a chance to do any. i have a friend who made himself a chain mail vest during studys, and he wears it all the time. it looks really cool. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-17-2002, 11:21 AM	#19
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	well i was just looking for some answers to the durability of real weapons __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-17-2002, 04:03 PM	#20
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Real swords? Mmmm, let's see accesses hard disc in Eärniel's mind My, my what a load of junk in here, I should clear it out some day...Um never mind! Anyway, if I remember correctly real swords, the type they used in wars and such were rather heavy and needed a LOT of maintenance to keep them from rusting. They weren't often that sharp either. (That MUST have hurt ) They were often dented and (how do you say that the edge isn't smooth anymore) notched (?) Knights had squires to look after their swords because it took such a lot of time. I also seem to remember the swords used in battles were different from your every day sword: Longer, better maintenanced and heavier. You had to do a lot of swinging before you could do some damage, but when you did, you did some mayor damage. uck. This I know for a fact (yeay i'm actually SURE about something) swords at the time of King Arthur (5th century) were very rare and very expensive. A sword at that time was a heirloom to be kept in honour. And only a select group of people had them. Dunno if this is any useful to you.... __________________ We are not things.