Pictures of Numenorean Ships

Amandil · 09-17-2003, 07:28 AM

Hi Folks,

Just dropping by to see if any of you can recommend some links where I could find artistic interpretations of Numenorean ships. Textual descriptions would be handy, too, as I'm accross the Atlantic from my library. Nothing urgent or necessary, though, but I thought maybe the odd person might have some wealth of information to share around here...

Cheers,

Artanis · 09-17-2003, 07:51 AM

One artistic interpretation I know of is this pic by Ted Nasmith. But you don't see much details there.

There is also a pic by John Howe on the cover of my copy of HoME 12, but I'm not able to put up a link right now.

Attalus · 09-17-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis

There is also a pic by John Howe on the cover of my copy of HoME 12, but I'm not able to put up a link right now.

Is there a paperback edition out? My hardbound edition is uniform with the rest of the HoME.

Bombadillo · 09-17-2003, 03:12 PM

Ckeck this out: http://www.foolofatook.com/

It's a picture I really like of the Frodo and company at the Grey Havens. There's the nice ship behind them.

Artanis · 09-17-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Attalus
Is there a paperback edition out? My hardbound edition is uniform with the rest of the HoME.

My HoME series is all paperback editions from HarperCollins, and they all have a cover illustration by John Howe.

Amandil · 09-18-2003, 10:12 AM

Thanks for the images, folks.

Artanis: yeah, too bad there's not more detail. Oh well. Sort of looks like an ivory longship, neh?

Bombadilo: Isn't that an Elvish ship, what with it sailing from the Grey Havens and all?

If anybody knows of a textual description, do let me know too!

Thanks again,

Rosie Gamgee · 09-23-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bombadillo
Ckeck this out: http://www.foolofatook.com/

It's a picture I really like of the Frodo and company at the Grey Havens. There's the nice ship behind them.

That's a beautiful picture IMO. Wow.

Bombadillo · 09-24-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Amandil
Bombadilo: Isn't that an Elvish ship, what with it sailing from the Grey Havens and all?

I had thought of that, but ignored it. It looked just like Artanis' example at the time.

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Originally posted by Rosie Gamgee
That's a beautiful picture IMO. Wow.

That's actually the pic that's now at Took Talk's old mainsite(or whatever it's called). It's rather appropriate too.

***Valandil*** · 10-08-2003, 10:58 AM

I actually envision them as becoming quite sophisticated sailing ships - along the lines of the 3-masted, full-rigged ships of the late 18th / early 19th centuries. An open long boat would get quite uncomfortable for ocean-crossings - and for spending years away from home. Large ships of this type (think HMS Victory - EDIT: uh... without the canons! But maybe some kind of ship-born "seige engine" or other weapon) would be particularly suited to carrying 800-1000 or so exiles each (albeit in cramped quarters) under Elendil and his sons.

Perhaps these types of ships were first built by Aldarion - and continued in use for the remainder of Numenor's years. So perhaps the very first crossings from Numenor were in simpler ships - but the need for greater ships was seen - and probably acted upon.

Artanis · 10-08-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
There is also a pic by John Howe on the cover of my copy of HoME 12, but I'm not able to put up a link right now.

Here it is: Cover of HoME 12
I think this is an illustration of the unfinished story about Tal-Elmar, where Númenoreans were coming to Middle Earth and the people there feared them.

09-17-2003, 07:28 AM	#1
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Pictures of Numenorean Ships Hi Folks, Just dropping by to see if any of you can recommend some links where I could find artistic interpretations of Numenorean ships. Textual descriptions would be handy, too, as I'm accross the Atlantic from my library. Nothing urgent or necessary, though, but I thought maybe the odd person might have some wealth of information to share around here... Cheers, __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

09-17-2003, 07:51 AM	#2
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	One artistic interpretation I know of is this pic by Ted Nasmith. But you don't see much details there. There is also a pic by John Howe on the cover of my copy of HoME 12, but I'm not able to put up a link right now. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

09-17-2003, 03:12 PM	#4
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Ckeck this out: http://www.foolofatook.com/ It's a picture I really like of the Frodo and company at the Grey Havens. There's the nice ship behind them. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

09-18-2003, 10:12 AM	#6
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Thanks for the images, folks. Artanis: yeah, too bad there's not more detail. Oh well. Sort of looks like an ivory longship, neh? Bombadilo: Isn't that an Elvish ship, what with it sailing from the Grey Havens and all? If anybody knows of a textual description, do let me know too! Thanks again, __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

10-08-2003, 10:58 AM	#9
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	I actually envision them as becoming quite sophisticated sailing ships - along the lines of the 3-masted, full-rigged ships of the late 18th / early 19th centuries. An open long boat would get quite uncomfortable for ocean-crossings - and for spending years away from home. Large ships of this type (think HMS Victory - EDIT: uh... without the canons! But maybe some kind of ship-born "seige engine" or other weapon) would be particularly suited to carrying 800-1000 or so exiles each (albeit in cramped quarters) under Elendil and his sons. Perhaps these types of ships were first built by Aldarion - and continued in use for the remainder of Numenor's years. So perhaps the very first crossings from Numenor were in simpler ships - but the need for greater ships was seen - and probably acted upon. Last edited by Valandil : 10-08-2003 at 11:25 AM.

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