Philosophy - Page 8

inked · 01-24-2011, 10:35 AM

Existentialism: the rationalization, if you can be bothered, about what you do, what you plan to do, and what you have done. Note that you are the arbiter of all. Of course, with 6+ billion you's in the world, it gets a bit, shall we say, anarchic, chaotic, and messy.

katya · 01-24-2011, 06:12 PM

I think about that sometimes, the capitalization thing. Guess I better just keep working on my German skills. Because hey, if you can't hardly read something in your native language, better try reading it in a new language.

Also, I guess that lecture that I had so much trouble with of Jaspers' was from his book "Reason and Existence", if that helps at all.

EllethValatari · 01-25-2011, 12:31 AM

My middle/junior high school gave students a fairly good education in logic and rhetoric. In the first few years I remember reading Aristotle's Prior Analytics and Plato's The Last Days of Socrates and The Five Dialogues; discussing their basic arguments and reasoning. The last few years we studied Isaac Watts' Logic in addition to symbolic logic. Honestly, the symbolic logic was the most enjoyable-probably because I am more mathematically oriented. I don't know if you've ever worked with syllogisms, but they're quite fun and it's very interesting to plot out arguments. As for Watts, he seemed to be quite the racist but a very smart and clear-minded man. It would seem impossible to write a book extensively covering logic and rhetoric without becoming completely unorganized among rabbit trails--but he did.

We covered a lot in those years-theoretical, practical, and logical philosophy, inductive/deductive logic, formal/informal, and the modes of argument, knowledge and being. I loved the subject and plan on continuing study of it in college.

Anyone currently studying logic in college? What are the classes like?

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EllethValatari

The Five Dialogues

Which five?

I did Aristotelian logic in my undergrad. It was fun, but I wonder now how truly philosophical logic is.

EllethValatari · 01-25-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Which five?

I should have thought to specify! The book is called The Five Dialogues-it's a compilation of Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno and Phaedo.

katya · 01-25-2011, 05:25 PM

I haven't taken logic classes myself, but my boyfriend has, and it sounds kind of horrible. But I've been meaning to take a look at his textbook anyhow, just to see. I've only taken one proper philosophy class, which was a history of western philosophy from Descartes and up to the late 1800's. Reading actual philosophers is kind of a new thing for me, though I've read my fair share of eastern philosophy.

I made it through (with my life barely intact) Jaspers and Heidegger in the book I'm reading, got to read "The Wall" by Sartre, which was actually quite enjoyable for a change. Right after I finished it I overheard a teacher saying that one of the pigs at home was having babies but they were all "rotten", and it gave me a very strange feeling that lasted a good minute or two. A feeling I can't quite recapture now.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2011, 07:35 PM

Have you read Sartre's L'Etranger? It's very much on my to-read list.

katya · 01-25-2011, 08:18 PM

Well, I read Camus' L'Etranger.

It's very much on my favorites list. I did come across some novels by Sartre in the library a while back though, and if they had had the first in the series of them I probably would have checked it out.

GrayMouser · 01-25-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Have you read Sartre's L'Etranger? It's very much on my to-read list.

Umm, isn't that by Camus? Another of those I read so many years ago.

And of course, it was on George Bush's reading list as well, supposedly recommended by Laura.

Cruel liberal joke: George sees Laura reading it and asks what it's about.
"Well." she says. "it's about this guy who kills an Arab...."

inked · 01-25-2011, 09:33 PM

Based on Camus, why shouldn't it be an Arab? Would it matter if it were? Or, for that matter, if it were Chinese?

Or did I miss Camus' whole point?

(Although I got the joke!)

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by katya

Well, I read Camus' L'Etranger.

*facepalm* Yuss. That's the one I meant.

01-24-2011, 10:35 AM	#141
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Existentialism: the rationalization, if you can be bothered, about what you do, what you plan to do, and what you have done. Note that you are the arbiter of all. Of course, with 6+ billion you's in the world, it gets a bit, shall we say, anarchic, chaotic, and messy. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

01-24-2011, 06:12 PM	#142
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I think about that sometimes, the capitalization thing. Guess I better just keep working on my German skills. Because hey, if you can't hardly read something in your native language, better try reading it in a new language. Also, I guess that lecture that I had so much trouble with of Jaspers' was from his book "Reason and Existence", if that helps at all. __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~ Last edited by katya : 01-24-2011 at 09:35 PM.

01-25-2011, 12:31 AM	#143
EllethValatari Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States Posts: 401	My middle/junior high school gave students a fairly good education in logic and rhetoric. In the first few years I remember reading Aristotle's Prior Analytics and Plato's The Last Days of Socrates and The Five Dialogues; discussing their basic arguments and reasoning. The last few years we studied Isaac Watts' Logic in addition to symbolic logic. Honestly, the symbolic logic was the most enjoyable-probably because I am more mathematically oriented. I don't know if you've ever worked with syllogisms, but they're quite fun and it's very interesting to plot out arguments. As for Watts, he seemed to be quite the racist but a very smart and clear-minded man. It would seem impossible to write a book extensively covering logic and rhetoric without becoming completely unorganized among rabbit trails--but he did. We covered a lot in those years-theoretical, practical, and logical philosophy, inductive/deductive logic, formal/informal, and the modes of argument, knowledge and being. I loved the subject and plan on continuing study of it in college. Anyone currently studying logic in college? What are the classes like? __________________ Elleth Valatari "We have come from God, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil." — J.R.R. Tolkien Last edited by EllethValatari : 01-25-2011 at 12:33 AM.

01-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#146
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I haven't taken logic classes myself, but my boyfriend has, and it sounds kind of horrible. But I've been meaning to take a look at his textbook anyhow, just to see. I've only taken one proper philosophy class, which was a history of western philosophy from Descartes and up to the late 1800's. Reading actual philosophers is kind of a new thing for me, though I've read my fair share of eastern philosophy. I made it through (with my life barely intact) Jaspers and Heidegger in the book I'm reading, got to read "The Wall" by Sartre, which was actually quite enjoyable for a change. Right after I finished it I overheard a teacher saying that one of the pigs at home was having babies but they were all "rotten", and it gave me a very strange feeling that lasted a good minute or two. A feeling I can't quite recapture now. __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

01-25-2011, 07:35 PM	#147
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Have you read Sartre's L'Etranger? It's very much on my to-read list. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-25-2011, 08:18 PM	#148
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Well, I read Camus' L'Etranger. It's very much on my favorites list. I did come across some novels by Sartre in the library a while back though, and if they had had the first in the series of them I probably would have checked it out. __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

01-25-2011, 09:33 PM	#150
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Based on Camus, why shouldn't it be an Arab? Would it matter if it were? Or, for that matter, if it were Chinese? Or did I miss Camus' whole point? (Although I got the joke!) __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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