Fellowship of the ringwraiths discussion thread - Page 7

Butterbeer · 06-17-2005, 02:58 PM

any takers good ol' boy Duke Gothmog (yeeeehaw) will make a come-back appearance as something from 'clock-work orange'?

Butterbeer · 06-20-2005, 01:34 PM

didn't gandalf meet radagast on horseback? Or does he get a ride on sub-sonics from isengard? The timings are going to take some working out if we start drawing 'meanwhile' posts .. but it'd be worth doing i guess.

Gordis · 06-21-2005, 04:32 AM

You see, BB, Radagast was sent by Saruman to look for Gandalf in the Shire. Yes, on horseback. But how come Rhadagast was available? It means he must have come to Isengard prior to that. Why? Gandalf calls him a moss-gatherer, he rarely left Rhosgobel, if at all. So I believe his birds have brought him tidings of the Nazgul crossing the Anduin and he went to Saruman with the news.
As for the dates, here they are really discrepant between LOTR and UT.
How could Rhadagast meet Gandalf on Midsummer day and tell that the nazgul traveled in the Vales and looked like riders in black, if the Nazgul set out July1 and got their horses and black robes on July 17?

I am not sure it was a good idea to introduce wizards... What is your opinion, BB?

WE NEED MORE PARTICIPANTS!

Telcontar_Dunedain · 06-21-2005, 04:57 PM

Sorry, I've been unactive recently, I was away all week end. I'm not sure, is the problem to much or little time?

Gordis · 06-21-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

Sorry, I've been unactive recently, I was away all week end. I'm not sure, is the problem to much or little time?

Too little time.
Look yourself, TD.
June 20 assault on Osgiliath, bridges taken
at the end of June Gandalf sences something is amiss and goes South to investigate. He hears news of the war in Gondor. The fugitives must have been very fast indeed

June 24 Midsummer day Gandalf goes towards Bree and meets Rhadagast. Who tells him about the nazgul - all nine as riders in black - searching for the Shire.
But according to UT the nazgul crossed the Anduin unclad and invisible on July 1. Moreover, they received horses and robes on July 17! It does not fit at all!
According to Tale of Years Gandalf had time to go to Bree and travel to Isengard where he came July 10.
So I believe there is really a discrepancy here.

I am glad you are back, TD. LCoU is away as is C.Squirrel and Lotesse.
It would be fine if you could continue the story.

Butterbeer · 06-21-2005, 06:00 PM

how then should we solve this riddle, we who are assembled here, as if by chance?

Gordis · 06-21-2005, 06:12 PM

IF we want to keep all the evidence available and believe both the UT and LOTR then there is only one possible explanation. Rhadagast knew about the nazgul errand before they have set out!

It means Sauron has told Saruman via palantiri that he will be sending the ringwraiths to look for the Shire. Probably he asked Saruman's advice on the Shire's location.

So Saruman, wanting Gandalf out of the picture, told Rhadagast that the nazgul were already abroad and Rhadagast transmitted the message. Of course, Saruman could not admit that he knew they WILL BE going!

Awesome, these RPG's are very useful, they make you check things and make connections that one does not see otherwise.

Butterbeer · 06-21-2005, 06:56 PM

Gordis

Quote:

WE NEED MORE PARTICIPANTS!

Excellent fresh Olmer bait!

Was Rhadaghast really the nice quiet one?
(it's the quiet ones you have to watch)

How did sauron come by those fell beasts?

Quote:

Awesome, these RPG's are very useful, they make you check things and make connections that one does not see otherwise.

well this rpg isn't all fun and games ... its roots and traditions lie in debate, theory and conjecture: this is just bringing it to life (with some very BIG pinches of salt admittedly

)

Gordis · 06-21-2005, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

Was Rhadaghast really the nice quiet one?
(it's the quiet ones you have to watch)

How did sauron come by those fell beasts?

Interesting. Rhadagast was Saruman's buddy, perhaps he could obtain some fell chickens or eggs for Saruman-Sauron experiments... Perhaps Saruman fooled him.
And Rhadagast was the nearest neighbour of the Necromancer! Perhaps there were some contacts.

I always wandered why Rhadagast was looked upon as a failure in his mission. He was sent by Yavanna to care for birds and beasts - which he did.
Maybe your idea, BB, explains it.

Butterbeer · 06-21-2005, 07:18 PM

good stuff.... but ...er... "Fell Chickens" ????

LOL

Gordis · 06-21-2005, 07:35 PM

Fell beasts were referred to as bird-like creatures. Hence Fell Chickens

Butterbeer · 06-21-2005, 07:44 PM

I seee... not to be confused with Fey Finches or Renegade Robins, then.

EarthBound · 06-22-2005, 08:52 AM

Gordis is funny! And I don't mean in an anomalous, odd way, but rather the humorous 'ho ho ho make me laugh till I've pissed my panty's and need to quickly excuse myself from work to run home and change'…. kind of funny...

Have begun my pennance for the stolen mead.....errrr, just where do you keep your 'good stuff' anyway...*looks COMPLETELY innocent*

Gordis · 06-22-2005, 03:06 PM

Well, thanks, EarthBound. Panty's eh?

I am glad you are finally with us. Liked your piece too.
Gor

Last Child of Ungoliant · 06-22-2005, 04:08 PM

i would love to carry on, but i don't really have the time (University applications soon, grrr i hate UCAS

) but i will pitch in whenever i can

Grey_Wolf · 06-23-2005, 04:51 PM

Because of them suffering from a severe case of JDitis their posting abilities have been severely hampered. When cured they'll come back. Among the sufferers are Butterbeer.

CrazySquirrel · 06-24-2005, 07:35 AM

What is JD-tes???

Now here is my meagre input...

Grey_Wolf · 06-24-2005, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazySquirrel

What is JD-tes???

Now here is my meagre input...

It is, apparently, a severe case of inability to post or sending PM's.

Gordis · 06-24-2005, 10:33 AM

Hi, Grey Wolf,
If you do not suffer from JDites yourself, perhaps you would care to join us here?
Gordis

CrazySquirrel · 06-24-2005, 11:53 AM

Hey, wraiths!

I am posting when I should be studying.

Where are you???
We have a fight!
Gothmog, I shall cut your ears if you don't come and help yourself! I am a very fierce squirrel!

Guys! Gothmog needs HELP!

06-21-2005, 04:57 PM	#124
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06-22-2005, 08:52 AM	#133
EarthBound Lady Tipple & Queen of Blessed Thistle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I've been told it's all in my head Posts: 916	Gordis is funny! And I don't mean in an anomalous, odd way, but rather the humorous 'ho ho ho make me laugh till I've pissed my panty's and need to quickly excuse myself from work to run home and change'…. kind of funny... Have begun my pennance for the stolen mead.....errrr, just where do you keep your 'good stuff' anyway...looks COMPLETELY innocent __________________ Beer + Pizza = N'uff said Happy to be here The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin I want my Mooter T-Shirt! Last edited by EarthBound : 06-22-2005 at 01:26 PM.

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06-17-2005, 02:58 PM	#121
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	any takers good ol' boy Duke Gothmog (yeeeehaw) will make a come-back appearance as something from 'clock-work orange'?

06-20-2005, 01:34 PM	#122
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	didn't gandalf meet radagast on horseback? Or does he get a ride on sub-sonics from isengard? The timings are going to take some working out if we start drawing 'meanwhile' posts .. but it'd be worth doing i guess.

06-21-2005, 04:32 AM	#123
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	You see, BB, Radagast was sent by Saruman to look for Gandalf in the Shire. Yes, on horseback. But how come Rhadagast was available? It means he must have come to Isengard prior to that. Why? Gandalf calls him a moss-gatherer, he rarely left Rhosgobel, if at all. So I believe his birds have brought him tidings of the Nazgul crossing the Anduin and he went to Saruman with the news. As for the dates, here they are really discrepant between LOTR and UT. How could Rhadagast meet Gandalf on Midsummer day and tell that the nazgul traveled in the Vales and looked like riders in black, if the Nazgul set out July1 and got their horses and black robes on July 17? I am not sure it was a good idea to introduce wizards... What is your opinion, BB? WE NEED MORE PARTICIPANTS!

06-21-2005, 06:00 PM	#126
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	how then should we solve this riddle, we who are assembled here, as if by chance?

06-21-2005, 06:12 PM	#127
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	IF we want to keep all the evidence available and believe both the UT and LOTR then there is only one possible explanation. Rhadagast knew about the nazgul errand before they have set out! It means Sauron has told Saruman via palantiri that he will be sending the ringwraiths to look for the Shire. Probably he asked Saruman's advice on the Shire's location. So Saruman, wanting Gandalf out of the picture, told Rhadagast that the nazgul were already abroad and Rhadagast transmitted the message. Of course, Saruman could not admit that he knew they WILL BE going! Awesome, these RPG's are very useful, they make you check things and make connections that one does not see otherwise.

06-21-2005, 07:18 PM	#130
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	good stuff.... but ...er... "Fell Chickens" ???? LOL

06-21-2005, 07:35 PM	#131
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	Fell beasts were referred to as bird-like creatures. Hence Fell Chickens

06-21-2005, 07:44 PM	#132
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	I seee... not to be confused with Fey Finches or Renegade Robins, then.

06-22-2005, 03:06 PM	#134
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	Well, thanks, EarthBound. Panty's eh? I am glad you are finally with us. Liked your piece too. Gor

06-22-2005, 04:08 PM	#135
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i would love to carry on, but i don't really have the time (University applications soon, grrr i hate UCAS ) but i will pitch in whenever i can

06-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#136
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Because of them suffering from a severe case of JDitis their posting abilities have been severely hampered. When cured they'll come back. Among the sufferers are Butterbeer.

06-24-2005, 07:35 AM	#137
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	What is JD-tes??? Now here is my meagre input...

06-24-2005, 10:33 AM	#139
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	Hi, Grey Wolf, If you do not suffer from JDites yourself, perhaps you would care to join us here? Gordis

06-24-2005, 11:53 AM	#140
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	Hey, wraiths! I am posting when I should be studying. Where are you??? We have a fight! Gothmog, I shall cut your ears if you don't come and help yourself! I am a very fierce squirrel! Guys! Gothmog needs HELP!