Other Worlds Than These (Discussion Thread) - Page 7

Aikanáro · 07-03-2011, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Varnafindë

Yes, that's fine with me! They are ready to leave now, there's nothing more they need to develop storywise where they are. So they can leave and skip the details and settle at the inn in the next post.

Which I've now posted

They will, in fact, meet for dinner while Ashkaio and Elspeth are outside talking to Anahera.

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Originally Posted by Midge

Was that to make sure she looked like the description of Queen Susan?

I love that Nightshade made that assumption.

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One of the things that bothers me about LOTR (and even more now, since I'm planning on incorporating Perelandra into this) is the lack of an English equivalent to the word hnau. Hnau is a word that Lewis made up to mean "any creature with a soul" or "a sentient creature" (I'm not sure those are interchangeable, but if not, I'm sure he meant the former)...I don't know if you could count things like Dragons...

That's essentially what Rivailen was worried about when it comes to Dragons, though of course she doesn't have that useful word, either.

Lur and Lantie will have to introduce it into everyone's vocabulary.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-03-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Midge

Was that to make sure she looked like the description of Queen Susan?

Almost - it was to see whether she should ask for Queen Susan or Queen Lucy

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[...] in one of his books, he had three sentient species all on one planet. And there are LOTS of hnau in Middle Earth:

Malacandra, with its three species of hnau, was populated earlier than Thulcandra. After Maleldil himself took the form of the hnau of Thulcandra (to fight the Bent One), that will be the only form the hnau will be given hereafter (says Lewis). That's why the hnau of Perelandra (which was next in line) have human form.

But the color may vary

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Anyway, I can't wait for Lur and Lantie to get there. They know the word "hnau" even though it isn't applicable on their planet because their family is the only sentient species. It will be interesting to them to be able to see other hnau, instead of only hearing of them from Maleldil.

They will introduce a new and useful word. Baru will be very interested.

Midge · 07-02-2011, 02:37 PM

The Lord of the Rings HISHE... One minute...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Everyone on this board should watch it once. I referenced it when I said I was glad we didn't have to get rid of the Guardian ourselves...

Aikanáro · 07-02-2011, 02:44 PM

That's awesome. Loved the inclusion of Gollum! Thanks for sharing, Midge!

feawen · 07-02-2011, 05:05 PM

i love HISHE!
i often go "Ya, one of us could have died!" To my boyfriend he is no longer amused by it! lol

Midge · 07-04-2011, 01:32 PM

Well, she could remember that the White Witch looked human, though she had not a drop of human blood in her. I think that would be a canon reference for her.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-04-2011, 05:27 PM

Good point. That would be part of the lore about the Golden Age.
And Nightshade is something of a loremaster - she makes sure that the next generations (of badgers, at least) get to hear the old tales.

Aikanáro · 07-08-2011, 07:25 AM

Varna - just checking to make sure you didn't miss that Rivailen wants Baru's attention a little way up.

(If you did see it, but just want to concentrate on Nightshade for a little while first before Baru replies, that's alright - I just wanted to make sure it didn't get overlooked on account of all the surrounding explanation of urban life

)

On another note, I hate that I have so little time for reading lately, but I'm halfway through Perelandra and I have to say that Lewis has such a talent for describing alien worlds and making them seem properly alien. I felt dizzy just reading parts of it. (and anyone who has read may know why

)

***Varnafindë*** · 07-08-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Aikanáro

Varna - just checking to make sure you didn't miss that Rivailen wants Baru's attention a little way up.

(If you did see it, but just want to concentrate on Nightshade for a little while first before Baru replies, that's alright - I just wanted to make sure it didn't get overlooked on account of all the surrounding explanation of urban life

)

That's how it started, with the concentration on Nightshade - but I might need a reminder now ...

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On another note, I hate that I have so little time for reading lately, but I'm halfway through Perelandra and I have to say that Lewis has such a talent for describing alien worlds and making them seem properly alien. I felt dizzy just reading parts of it. (and anyone who has read may know why

)

I agree on his talent

I wouldn't know exactly which parts work that way for you - but there are certainly parts in there that might make one dizzy

Midge · 07-10-2011, 07:17 PM

A couple of things: I assumed that it would make sense for Aerin to know the story of Ilúvatar because a) she's an elf, and b) she grew up in Lothlórien, where Galadriel reigned, and she'd lived in Valinor with the Valar for many years, so it follows that she would know this story, and would tell it to her subjects, yes? If this is incorrect, I should probably revise my post, so let me know.

The other thing is that I think I'm going to start introducing Lur and Lantie to the thread again, slowly. I may have only saved the story for them at work, though. I'm trying to find it now.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-10-2011, 10:50 PM

I quite agree that Aerin would have heard the Ainulindalë and the Valaquenta, and probably even the Quenta Silmarillion, in Lothlorien. Even though Galadriel isn't known as as much of a loremaster as Elrond, I believe she still would do the basics.

Midge · 07-11-2011, 12:34 PM

Yeah... maybe I'll have her direct Nightshade to a book Elrond is writing called "Silmarillion" if she wants to hear the whole story.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-11-2011, 02:46 PM

Has written, you mean. He has left now. And Bilbo translated it into Westron. When they meet Baru, she will tell them that she has read it in Elrond's library

Midge · 07-11-2011, 09:36 PM

Write, right...

Unless you want a little more interaction, you can have Nightshade and Aerin "pulling into town" in your post. I figured when Aerin said "a short while longer" she meant maybe a half hour... ish.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-13-2011, 03:54 AM

I think I want to confuse Aerin a little, which may want her to ask what on earth Nightshade is talking about ...

and then be able to talk a little more ...

We're travelling today, so I'm posting from my Nokia, so long posts aren't easy to write.

Edit:
Aika - I haven't forgotten Rivailen asking Baru to approach the others.

And there's no point in A & N stopping talking too soon - they are on different days now and will have to wait anyway.
They cannot arrive at the inn yet.
They may as well go on talking.

Midge · 07-13-2011, 02:41 PM

okay. I can change it to where Aerin and Nightshade aren't as close to town.

***Varnafindë*** · 07-14-2011, 03:04 AM

And I think I'll post for Baru first (some time today, hopefully), while you can post for your Perelandrians

feawen · 07-14-2011, 11:47 AM

ill post anahera and elsbeths reply tomorrow when ive got a bit more time! but ive not forgot you all!

Midge · 07-14-2011, 12:11 PM

Oh, yeah. I'm not sure exactly when Earn will get back, so I'm in no rush for the Perelandrians. Besides, I was really excited so mostly it's copy and paste for them for a while.

Aikanáro · 07-15-2011, 07:44 AM

Sorry I haven't been around much this week, work's been a little busy. Yay for the Perelandrians returning!

Of course, Aragorn and Arwen were not actually children at the same time, so Ashkaio's sense of unease about that is a little misdirected. However, trying to explain that situation to someone who has never heard of Elves will be...interesting.

07-02-2011, 02:37 PM	#3
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	The Lord of the Rings HISHE... One minute... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU Everyone on this board should watch it once. I referenced it when I said I was glad we didn't have to get rid of the Guardian ourselves... __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-02-2011, 02:44 PM	#4
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	That's awesome. Loved the inclusion of Gollum! Thanks for sharing, Midge! __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

07-02-2011, 05:05 PM	#5
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	i love HISHE! i often go "Ya, one of us could have died!" To my boyfriend he is no longer amused by it! lol __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

07-04-2011, 01:32 PM	#6
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Well, she could remember that the White Witch looked human, though she had not a drop of human blood in her. I think that would be a canon reference for her. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-04-2011, 05:27 PM	#7
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	Good point. That would be part of the lore about the Golden Age. And Nightshade is something of a loremaster - she makes sure that the next generations (of badgers, at least) get to hear the old tales. __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-08-2011, 07:25 AM	#8
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Varna - just checking to make sure you didn't miss that Rivailen wants Baru's attention a little way up. (If you did see it, but just want to concentrate on Nightshade for a little while first before Baru replies, that's alright - I just wanted to make sure it didn't get overlooked on account of all the surrounding explanation of urban life ) On another note, I hate that I have so little time for reading lately, but I'm halfway through Perelandra and I have to say that Lewis has such a talent for describing alien worlds and making them seem properly alien. I felt dizzy just reading parts of it. (and anyone who has read may know why ) __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

07-10-2011, 07:17 PM	#10
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	A couple of things: I assumed that it would make sense for Aerin to know the story of Ilúvatar because a) she's an elf, and b) she grew up in Lothlórien, where Galadriel reigned, and she'd lived in Valinor with the Valar for many years, so it follows that she would know this story, and would tell it to her subjects, yes? If this is incorrect, I should probably revise my post, so let me know. The other thing is that I think I'm going to start introducing Lur and Lantie to the thread again, slowly. I may have only saved the story for them at work, though. I'm trying to find it now. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-10-2011, 10:50 PM	#11
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	I quite agree that Aerin would have heard the Ainulindalë and the Valaquenta, and probably even the Quenta Silmarillion, in Lothlorien. Even though Galadriel isn't known as as much of a loremaster as Elrond, I believe she still would do the basics. __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-11-2011, 12:34 PM	#12
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Yeah... maybe I'll have her direct Nightshade to a book Elrond is writing called "Silmarillion" if she wants to hear the whole story. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-11-2011, 02:46 PM	#13
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	Has written, you mean. He has left now. And Bilbo translated it into Westron. When they meet Baru, she will tell them that she has read it in Elrond's library __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-11-2011, 09:36 PM	#14
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Write, right... Unless you want a little more interaction, you can have Nightshade and Aerin "pulling into town" in your post. I figured when Aerin said "a short while longer" she meant maybe a half hour... ish. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more! Last edited by Midge : 07-11-2011 at 09:38 PM.

07-13-2011, 03:54 AM	#15
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	I think I want to confuse Aerin a little, which may want her to ask what on earth Nightshade is talking about ... and then be able to talk a little more ... We're travelling today, so I'm posting from my Nokia, so long posts aren't easy to write. Edit: Aika - I haven't forgotten Rivailen asking Baru to approach the others. And there's no point in A & N stopping talking too soon - they are on different days now and will have to wait anyway. They cannot arrive at the inn yet. They may as well go on talking. __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen Last edited by Varnafindë : 07-14-2011 at 03:01 AM.

07-13-2011, 02:41 PM	#16
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	okay. I can change it to where Aerin and Nightshade aren't as close to town. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-14-2011, 03:04 AM	#17
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	And I think I'll post for Baru first (some time today, hopefully), while you can post for your Perelandrians __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

07-14-2011, 11:47 AM	#18
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	ill post anahera and elsbeths reply tomorrow when ive got a bit more time! but ive not forgot you all! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

07-14-2011, 12:11 PM	#19
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Oh, yeah. I'm not sure exactly when Earn will get back, so I'm in no rush for the Perelandrians. Besides, I was really excited so mostly it's copy and paste for them for a while. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

07-15-2011, 07:44 AM	#20
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Sorry I haven't been around much this week, work's been a little busy. Yay for the Perelandrians returning! Of course, Aragorn and Arwen were not actually children at the same time, so Ashkaio's sense of unease about that is a little misdirected. However, trying to explain that situation to someone who has never heard of Elves will be...interesting. __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

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