Jackson got it right on the Scouring - Page 6

**Nurvingiel** · 03-09-2003, 03:08 AM

Well it might not be thirty but it's at least 15. It sure seems like thirty. I think the Scouring is worth at least as much air time as boring previews. ~_^

Melko Belcha · 03-13-2003, 02:40 PM

I wonder why PJ showed how beautiful the Shire is in the Fellowship and then not plan on having the Scouring? One of my favorite parts in the book is when Sam talks about how the destruction of the Shire is worse than Mordor because it follows you home. To leave out the Scouring makes showing all the beautiful shoots of the Shire at the begining pointless IMO.

**Nurvingiel** · 03-13-2003, 04:33 PM

Well, I don't think the beautiful Shire shots could ever be pointless. But you have to wonder why Frodo (?) saw the Shire being attacked in the Mirror of Galadriel.

***Fat middle*** · 03-14-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Well it might not be thirty but it's at least 15. It sure seems like thirty. I think the Scouring is worth at least as much air time as boring previews. ~_^

LOL

Good one, Nurvingiel!

Mark of Cenla · 03-20-2003, 11:05 AM

I see it as an inexcusable abomination. Here is why:

1. The hobbits left the Shire to keep it from harm. The scouring shows that things do not always go as planned. It also shows how much the four hobbits have matured. It is an essential part of the character development.

2. Return of the King is much shorter than the other two books. Thus, the "there is no room for it" argument is hollow at best.

3. Many recent Hollywood movies have "multiple endings" where it seems as though the movie is going to end, and then something else happens to prolong it. Thus, the "it would not work in the movie" argument is also hollow.

Insidious Rex · 03-20-2003, 01:25 PM

This thread seems to have become an endless circle really.

"They cant take that part out![lists a bunch of reasons why its important to the story]"

"Yes but its a FILM. And its anticlimatic and wouldnt work well in a FILM medium.[lists a bunch of reasons why it wouldnt work in a film]"

"So what! The film was inspired by the book! They need to MAKE it work!"

"Well if they force it in somehow it would cause many viewers to wonder what they were thinking and lower the appeal of the movie."

"So what!! Heathens! Let the igrnorant masses walk out! It was a fundamental part of Tolkien's vision!"

"But its Jackson's FILM. Not Tolkien's BOOK. So its only logical to take that part out."

*return again to beginning and continue looping until infinity*

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-20-2003, 06:13 PM

Gee, I wonder which side your on...

Insidious Rex · 03-20-2003, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Gee, I wonder which side your on...

Oh I never declare sides. Im that guy who sits in the back and throws nuts at the people who think they know what they are talking about.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-20-2003, 06:23 PM

Then let's say which side you favour more.

Mark of Cenla · 03-20-2003, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
This thread seems to have become an endless circle really.

I beg your pardon. I do not come the this site often and did not read every response in this thread. (I did not know it was required before posting.) I will to sure to stay away as not to offend. Peace.

Insidious Rex · 03-20-2003, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark of Cenla
I beg your pardon. I do not come the this site often and did not read every response in this thread. (I did not know it was required before posting.) I will to sure to stay away as not to offend. Peace.

chill dude. Ive been meaning to say that for a while because the past few pages have pretty much been like that. You just reminded me thats all. And your opinion is just as welcome here as any other. And is no less worthwhile then anyone elses including my own (especiall my own in fact). So stick around and post more. Its all about expression. Never confuse disagreeance with hostility. My mind is open to everyone's thoughts.

markedel · 03-20-2003, 09:28 PM

This isn't nearly as offensive as some other threads...

We really should have a "threads to read first thread" perhaps.

People might think we bite.

**Nurvingiel** · 03-21-2003, 05:19 PM

Well I guess you're right Insidious Rex, everything that needs to be said has already been said. You kind of deflated the whole discussion.

There's the "Scouring Should Be In RotK" camp, the "Jackson Was Right On Taking Out The Scouring" camp, and one guy throwing peanuts at everyone.

We'll probably never reach an agreement on this, since we are diametrically opposite. (New favourite phrase - read: completely opposed with nothing in common.)

gimli7410 · 03-21-2003, 08:19 PM

i dont ko if were still discussing about the scouring of the shire but im just pissed off that i wont get to see merry and pippin fight.

**Nurvingiel** · 03-22-2003, 06:44 AM

Oh you'll get to see them fight, just not in the Scouring battle.

Black Breathalizer · 03-22-2003, 10:47 AM

Geez, can't you people have a discussion without fighting while I'm away?!?!?!?!

Artanis · 03-22-2003, 10:52 AM

He-he

**Nurvingiel** · 03-22-2003, 11:39 PM

*laughs at BB* We're not fighting, we're having a friendly discusison about some friendly hobbits.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-23-2003, 12:29 AM

BB! And here I was thinking you'd deemed us irredeemable!

Black Breathalizer · 03-23-2003, 09:30 PM

Work is keeping me busy right now but I'm an irredeemable mooter. You won't get rid of me this easy...especially with The Greatest Movie Of All Times (ROTK, natch) only nine months away.

As Gandalf would say, I have a part to play -- for good or ill -- before this is over.

03-20-2003, 11:05 AM	#105
Mark of Cenla Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: central Louisiana Posts: 105	an Abonmination! I see it as an inexcusable abomination. Here is why: 1. The hobbits left the Shire to keep it from harm. The scouring shows that things do not always go as planned. It also shows how much the four hobbits have matured. It is an essential part of the character development. 2. Return of the King is much shorter than the other two books. Thus, the "there is no room for it" argument is hollow at best. 3. Many recent Hollywood movies have "multiple endings" where it seems as though the movie is going to end, and then something else happens to prolong it. Thus, the "it would not work in the movie" argument is also hollow. __________________ Mark Wellman ><>

03-20-2003, 01:25 PM	#106
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	This thread seems to have become an endless circle really. "They cant take that part out![lists a bunch of reasons why its important to the story]" "Yes but its a FILM. And its anticlimatic and wouldnt work well in a FILM medium.[lists a bunch of reasons why it wouldnt work in a film]" "So what! The film was inspired by the book! They need to MAKE it work!" "Well if they force it in somehow it would cause many viewers to wonder what they were thinking and lower the appeal of the movie." "So what!! Heathens! Let the igrnorant masses walk out! It was a fundamental part of Tolkien's vision!" "But its Jackson's FILM. Not Tolkien's BOOK. So its only logical to take that part out." return again to beginning and continue looping until infinity __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

03-20-2003, 06:13 PM	#107
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Gee, I wonder which side your on... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-20-2003, 06:23 PM	#109
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Then let's say which side you favour more. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-20-2003, 09:28 PM	#112
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	This isn't nearly as offensive as some other threads... We really should have a "threads to read first thread" perhaps. People might think we bite. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-13-2003, 02:40 PM	#102
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	I wonder why PJ showed how beautiful the Shire is in the Fellowship and then not plan on having the Scouring? One of my favorite parts in the book is when Sam talks about how the destruction of the Shire is worse than Mordor because it follows you home. To leave out the Scouring makes showing all the beautiful shoots of the Shire at the begining pointless IMO.

03-21-2003, 08:19 PM	#114
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i dont ko if were still discussing about the scouring of the shire but im just pissed off that i wont get to see merry and pippin fight. __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

03-22-2003, 10:47 AM	#116
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Geez, can't you people have a discussion without fighting while I'm away?!?!?!?!

03-22-2003, 10:52 AM	#117
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	He-he __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

03-23-2003, 12:29 AM	#119
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	BB! And here I was thinking you'd deemed us irredeemable! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-23-2003, 09:30 PM	#120
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Work is keeping me busy right now but I'm an irredeemable mooter. You won't get rid of me this easy...especially with The Greatest Movie Of All Times (ROTK, natch) only nine months away. As Gandalf would say, I have a part to play -- for good or ill -- before this is over.

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