Who do you think should be elected in 2008? - Page 6

hectorberlioz · 01-10-2008, 12:57 PM

A new discussion is going on in the punditry world...

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Ok, I get it. You're a raving Democrat.

Nope. I just hate cheating and hypocrisy. I'm madder at McCain about his wife swappage than his hawkish attitudes. Doesn't it bother you at all that these people LIE about ordinary things? I've met Santorum a couple of times...he's an affable guy with a big smile. But, dude, pay for your kids in private school...don't stick the taxpayers in your own district with the bill.

hectorberlioz · 01-10-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

Nope. I just hate cheating and hypocrisy. I'm madder at McCain about his wife swappage than his hawkish attitudes. Doesn't it bother you at all that these people LIE about ordinary things? I've met Santorum a couple of times...he's an affable guy with a big smile. But, dude, pay for your kids in private school...don't stick the taxpayers in your own district with the bill.

Hmm. I think I heard something about that in 2006.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 01:19 PM

His Senate income, alone, was $157,000 annually. The median family income in Penn Hills is $46,971. The bill for ONE year of his 5 kids' cyber-charter was $38,000 EACH. A population of 46,809 in the district.

If Rick Santorum, the conservative, wants me to respect him, he should:
a)figure out where he lives...I'm betting the 8 of them live in the big house, not the 3 bedroom with 2 baths one.
b)take his homeschooling issue to the state of Virginia, where it belongs. Education is not a national issue, for conservatives. If you don't like the laws in your state, work to change them.
c)Pay back the school district, and apologise to Patrick Henry for using their intern as a nanny. Some things are the right thing to do, Richard. Man up.

If I saw him do something like that, I'd be handing out flyers for the man 12 hours later. But I won't.

Conservatives aren't the problem. Liberals aren't the problem. People who think they're entitled to goodies at their neighbors' expense, THEY are the problem.

The Gaffer · 01-10-2008, 02:32 PM

Thanks for the linky sis. I like how your system gets people fired up at the grass roots. But it's a weird one all right.

Interesting reflection of cultural differences there: in these parts, it's the politician who sends their kids to private schools who gets charged with hypocrisy ("state schools not good enough for your diddums?")

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Thanks for the linky sis. I like how your system gets people fired up at the grass roots. But it's a weird one all right.

Interesting reflection of cultural differences there: in these parts, it's the politician who sends their kids to private schools who gets charged with hypocrisy ("state schools not good enough for your diddums?")

That happens here, too, You're always happy to have a candidate who has kids in the public school system, particularly for Dems. Republicans are assumed to have more elitist patterns.

The thing about Santorum's situation is that he let down fundamentalist homeschoolers, as much as the poor taxpayers from his district. The publicly supported cyber racket is money straight into the coffers of the Right. $38,000 is a whole lot of cabbage, to educate one kid.

The Gaffer · 01-10-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

cyber racket

**Nurvingiel** · 01-10-2008, 03:39 PM

I've read all the new posts and there's a lot going on.

Telcontorian, I looked at the article too and it certainly suggests there's something wrong with your electoral system. I always thought you guys should have hand-counted paper ballots like us, but maybe it's a question of logistics. (No dangling chads either.)

Sisterandcousinandaunt, how come Dick Cheney's address fraud isn't an issue? The Democrats should be all over that like butter on toast.

***Earniel*** · 01-10-2008, 03:53 PM

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Sisterandcousinandaunt, how come Dick Cheney's address fraud isn't an issue? The Democrats should be all over that like butter on toast.

I've wondered about that too. From what I've heard and read this guy has defrauded, lied and stolen on large scale. And nobody seems to bat an eyelid. How come?

brownjenkins · 01-10-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eärniel

I've wondered about that too. From what I've heard and read this guy has defrauded, lied and stolen on large scale. And nobody seems to bat an eyelid. How come?

Because there is not a single politician who has not. Politics, by it's very nature, is all about getting money from the general public and giving it to the people who directly support you.

You really have to judge politicians by the good things they do, because all of them lie and steal. There are no exceptions.

Insidious Rex · 01-10-2008, 04:46 PM

Not to mention people are afraid Dick Cheney will order knee cappings for anyone who complains... *snear*

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brownjenkins

Because there is not a single politician who has not. Politics, by it's very nature, is all about getting money from the general public and giving it to the people who directly support you.

You really have to judge politicians by the good things they do, because all of them lie and steal. There are no exceptions.

No, that's not true. I know, personally, several honest politicians. Both sides of the aisle.

***Earniel*** · 01-10-2008, 05:02 PM

Eh, you don't have to inform me of the nature of politicians. Especially not since ours couldn't even manage to form a government 6 bleedin' months after elections and had to settle for an interim government, which means that in April we're back to square one. Bunch of losers...

Anyway, I asked because they went after Clinton pretty bad for having an affair and having lied about it, which is pretty minor, if you ask me. And Cheney's track-record seemed a bit more heavy than the usual policitian's money-grabbing. If they made such a big thing out of Lewinsky, I figured anyone with such a bad track-record like Cheney would been taken care of sooner.

But since you mentioned good things, has Cheney actually done something good, then?

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Not to mention people are afraid Dick Cheney will order knee cappings for anyone who complains... *snear*

You will have to forgive this poor Belgian, but I haven't got a clue whether that is in jest or meant. Is Cheney as dangerous as that?

Insidious Rex · 01-10-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eärniel

You will have to forgive this poor Belgian, but I haven't got a clue whether that is in jest or meant. Is Cheney as dangerous as that?

Well I wouldnt go hunting with him!

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 05:08 PM

Oh, you wouldn't even believe the "family values" track-record of the Republicans and Christian values set, It's astonishing that they can get up in public, but apparently they have no shame.

hectorberlioz · 01-10-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well I wouldnt go hunting with him!

Or driving with Ted Kennedy

. Not that that's a joke or anything...

brownjenkins · 01-10-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

No, that's not true. I know, personally, several honest politicians. Both sides of the aisle.

I suppose that all depends on how you define "honest".

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-10-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brownjenkins

I suppose that all depends on how you define "honest".

I know people who fight for what they believe is right, even when that crosses political boundaries.

The Gaffer · 01-10-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well I wouldnt go hunting with him!

You beat me to it.

Earniel is spot on.

I wonder what treats they have in store for Obama?

The Gaffer · 01-10-2008, 06:58 PM

Wait a second, Steve Bell already knows the answer to that:

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01-10-2008, 01:19 PM	#104
sisterandcousinandaunt Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,535	His Senate income, alone, was $157,000 annually. The median family income in Penn Hills is $46,971. The bill for ONE year of his 5 kids' cyber-charter was $38,000 EACH. A population of 46,809 in the district. If Rick Santorum, the conservative, wants me to respect him, he should: a)figure out where he lives...I'm betting the 8 of them live in the big house, not the 3 bedroom with 2 baths one. b)take his homeschooling issue to the state of Virginia, where it belongs. Education is not a national issue, for conservatives. If you don't like the laws in your state, work to change them. c)Pay back the school district, and apologise to Patrick Henry for using their intern as a nanny. Some things are the right thing to do, Richard. Man up. If I saw him do something like that, I'd be handing out flyers for the man 12 hours later. But I won't. Conservatives aren't the problem. Liberals aren't the problem. People who think they're entitled to goodies at their neighbors' expense, THEY are the problem. __________________ That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May

01-10-2008, 04:46 PM	#111
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Not to mention people are afraid Dick Cheney will order knee cappings for anyone who complains... snear __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

01-10-2008, 05:08 PM	#115
sisterandcousinandaunt Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,535	Oh, you wouldn't even believe the "family values" track-record of the Republicans and Christian values set, It's astonishing that they can get up in public, but apparently they have no shame. __________________ That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May

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01-10-2008, 02:32 PM	#105
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Thanks for the linky sis. I like how your system gets people fired up at the grass roots. But it's a weird one all right. Interesting reflection of cultural differences there: in these parts, it's the politician who sends their kids to private schools who gets charged with hypocrisy ("state schools not good enough for your diddums?")

01-10-2008, 06:58 PM	#120
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Wait a second, Steve Bell already knows the answer to that: