Why you believe what you believe I - Page 6

***Rían*** · 10-11-2004, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizra

I don't believe I think "about" things as much as you do!

We're all different - and I'm glad!

I think because of that, I'm done asking you questions, and I won't address the rest of your post unless you specifically ask me to.

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Originally Posted by inked

I take it that you think it is mentally objectively existent as the data from your sensory input reveals objectively existent reality outside yourself.

*psst, Lizra - I think I just found someone that likes to think even more than I do!

*

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Originally Posted by inked

If you are interested and read the SURPRISED BY JOY referred to earlier, you could compare experiences of desire with those he calls joy. I hasten to add that he had those experiences for years before he became a Deist much less a Christian. So this is not a sneak attack to convert you.

I found his account of how joy "haunted" him, in a sense, really fascinating. That's one reason why I was asking Lizra about what touched her heart - I wanted to see what moved her heart deeply, and if anyone here was the same way. I know I certainly am - a scent, a piece of music, a certain smile ... a horse running always brings tears to my eyes ... certain parts in LOTR ...

I'm done, and I think the general feeling (held by Lizra, too!) is that Lizra is done. Is that OK, Lizra, or is there anything else you want to say? If not, then who would like to be next?

Lizra · 10-11-2004, 03:39 PM

I'm done.

Thanks guys.

***Rían*** · 10-11-2004, 03:47 PM

*round of applause for Lizra*

And for your parting prizes, you'll recieve a free vowel on the "Wheel of Fortune" game, and an honorary "Hot Seat" fluffy seat cushion!

thanks

inked · 10-11-2004, 04:02 PM

Nuvingiel wanted to be next as I recall!

Thanks, Lizzra! Poise, grace, ... definitely a swing babe (as advertised)!

***Rían*** · 10-11-2004, 04:12 PM

That's fine with me!

Go ahead, Nurv - why don't you start with some type of opening statement on "why you believe what you believe"

(ps - did you see my request that your Teacup Cafe cater this little shindig?

I have a craving for a scone right now!)

***Rían*** · 10-13-2004, 12:42 AM

Nurvi - post quick! I'm gonna be out of town this weekend, and I'd like to be able to get in a few questions

PS - I"ll just note here that I'm having computer trouble again, so if I mysteriously disappear for a bit, it's probably due to the computer

Linaewen · 10-13-2004, 06:46 AM

Thanks Lizra for your stint in the "hot seat". I didn't have time to post any questions but I read your responses with much interest. (They're very similar to my own). Your answers were great!

Lizra · 10-13-2004, 07:47 AM

Thanks folks.

I tryed. As long as I didn't feel I was under "attack"...no problem.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-13-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizra

Thanks folks.

I tryed. As long as I didn't feel I was under "attack"...no problem.

I hope you never felt under attack! That was certainly no one's intent.

Andúril · 10-14-2004, 05:03 AM

I would have volunteered, had this thread been posted last year or so...

Lizra · 10-14-2004, 07:45 AM

Anduril.....I know you have lost interest in the god/no god debate....do your veiws differ from mine very much?

***Rían*** · 10-14-2004, 03:25 PM

Nurvi- did you see that it's your turn? Please post, or let us know if you want to let someone else go

Anduril - you're welcome to take a turn

Let's see if Nurvi wants to go first, tho.

People - whoever goes next, please carry on without me - I'm going on our annual beach camping trip tomorrow with 80 fun-lovin' friends

I'll be back Monday - have fun, and ask some good questions!

(Lizra - if Nurvi doesn't show up by tomorrow, could you please arrange for someone else to go next, if you're not too busy? Or I"ll go on Monday if no one else wants to.)

**Nurvingiel** · 10-14-2004, 03:50 PM

Meep! I didn't see it was my turn, sorry guys. (I was sure there was someone ahead of me or something.)

So now I outline what I believe... well I believe many things.

I believe sustainable forestry exists, and not just in theory. This is something we should strive to practice.

Thus far this has been a spiritual discussion, but I had to mention the trees.

I'm Anglican (Christian), and have quite a liberal approach. I am quite socially liberal. In Canada, there are many Anglicans who are also liberal this way. The recent gay marriage debate comes to mind, I am definitely for loving, commited couples being allowed to marry.

Why I believe this is largely because I was raised that way. My father was raised as an Anglican, and my mom was raised Catholic, but later became Anglican. Our church is really liberal, and nothing I've seen in my (short) life has caused me to want to think otherwise.

It feels right in my heart to try to accept everyone for who they are. I say try because human beings will always run into trouble in this area, but trying is the most important. Who are we to arbitrarily decide that one person's way of life is wrong and ours is right?

I believe in God because I think that God is the force that created the Universe, and quietly influenced and observed its development. Why I believe this is ultimately because this idea was introduced to me when I was a child, and it feels right in my heart. I know this is a simplistic answer, but that's what I can discern about my beliefs so far. Maybe with your questions I will gain a deeper understanding about my own beliefs. One thing about God, is it seems almost like we have tunnel vision if we don't say that there is something else out there. It's such a vast Universe, so vast that anything could exist in it. That doesn't prove there is a God, but it leaves more than enough room for God.

I'm actually not quite sure what to post, so ask me questions on this or anything. Feel free to ask me what I believe about any subject that comes to mind, or about what I just wrote etc. I hope I did the right thing. You're a hard act to follow Lizra.

*brings in a huge plate of fresh, hot raisin scones*
*the plate refills itself magically so everyone can help themselves*
*as the Teacup Cafe is catering this event, there is naturally a huge urn of tea*

Janny · 10-14-2004, 04:02 PM

Okay, Nurvy.

What are you feelings towards Levitius? Pardon me if this a really stupid question... I'm not quite sure what Anglicans accept and reject

***Rían*** · 10-14-2004, 04:02 PM

Nurvi - Thanks so much for the tea, the scones, and sharing your thoughts!

I have to go pack, so I'll think about some questions and ask them Monday or Tuesday, and look forward to seeing where the thread has gone while I've been gone

**Nurvingiel** · 10-14-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Janny

Okay, Nurvy.

What are you feelings towards Levitius? Pardon me if this a really stupid question... I'm not quite sure what Anglicans accept and reject

All I know that this is a section of the Bible. I believe this is where some anti-gay quotes originate. This is in no way a stupid question - Anglicans can't even agree amongst themselves what they accept and reject.

(Though I wouldn't say we reject parts of the Bible. It's all different interpretations.)

However, I haven't actually read the Bible (though I certainly want to).

Quote away, and I will comment.

About the Bible in general, I feel that its not only a holy symbol for all Christians, but also a social commentary on the times in which it was written. This provides context for the religious teachings. I think it's important to understand a bit about the lives and living conditions of the people who wrote the Bible - for example, I believe this is the significance of Numbers.

(I have read parts of the Bible, but I am definitely not a scholar.)

Rian, I look forward to your comments, have a great trip! (I bagged these scones for you to have on your journey.

)

Meriadoc Brandybuck · 10-16-2004, 08:21 PM

Question: What do you believe will happen at the end of the world?

**Nurvingiel** · 10-16-2004, 09:59 PM

You mean how will the world end? I think it will be engulfed by the Sun when it turns into a red giant in many millions of years.

Whether or not there will be life on Planet Earth at that point remains to be seen.

It's really really late (or early, depending on how you look at it) so I'll go into that more later. Good night!

EDIT: I only just realized you meant phisolophically. Clearly I can't hand that question right now!

I'll come back to it.

Lief Erikson · 10-17-2004, 02:33 PM

I believe that the surface of the world will be consumed in a nuclear holocaust.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

It feels right in my heart to try to accept everyone for who they are. I say try because human beings will always run into trouble in this area, but trying is the most important. Who are we to arbitrarily decide that one person's way of life is wrong and ours is right?

Who are you to arbitrarily decide I am wrong about homosexuality being a sin and you are right about its being fine?

Lief Erikson · 10-17-2004, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janny

Okay, Nurvy.

What are you feelings towards Levitius? Pardon me if this a really stupid question... I'm not quite sure what Anglicans accept and reject

I know one Anglican pastor that openly mocked literal interpretation of various passages in Leviticus. However, I know another Anglican pastor that is a conservative Christian and believes essentially the same thing about the Leviticus passages as mainstream Protestants do. So as Nurvingiel says, it's very difficult to generalize to all Anglicans.

10-11-2004, 03:47 PM	#103
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	round of applause for Lizra And for your parting prizes, you'll recieve a free vowel on the "Wheel of Fortune" game, and an honorary "Hot Seat" fluffy seat cushion! thanks __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-11-2004, 04:02 PM	#104
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Nuvingiel wanted to be next as I recall! Thanks, Lizzra! Poise, grace, ... definitely a swing babe (as advertised)! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

10-11-2004, 04:12 PM	#105
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	That's fine with me! Go ahead, Nurv - why don't you start with some type of opening statement on "why you believe what you believe" (ps - did you see my request that your Teacup Cafe cater this little shindig? I have a craving for a scone right now!) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-13-2004, 12:42 AM	#106
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Nurvi - post quick! I'm gonna be out of town this weekend, and I'd like to be able to get in a few questions PS - I"ll just note here that I'm having computer trouble again, so if I mysteriously disappear for a bit, it's probably due to the computer __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-14-2004, 03:25 PM	#112
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Nurvi- did you see that it's your turn? Please post, or let us know if you want to let someone else go Anduril - you're welcome to take a turn Let's see if Nurvi wants to go first, tho. People - whoever goes next, please carry on without me - I'm going on our annual beach camping trip tomorrow with 80 fun-lovin' friends I'll be back Monday - have fun, and ask some good questions! (Lizra - if Nurvi doesn't show up by tomorrow, could you please arrange for someone else to go next, if you're not too busy? Or I"ll go on Monday if no one else wants to.) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-11-2004, 03:39 PM	#102
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I'm done. Thanks guys.

10-13-2004, 06:46 AM	#107
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	Thanks Lizra for your stint in the "hot seat". I didn't have time to post any questions but I read your responses with much interest. (They're very similar to my own). Your answers were great!

10-13-2004, 07:47 AM	#108
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Thanks folks. I tryed. As long as I didn't feel I was under "attack"...no problem.

10-14-2004, 05:03 AM	#110
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I would have volunteered, had this thread been posted last year or so...

10-14-2004, 07:45 AM	#111
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Anduril.....I know you have lost interest in the god/no god debate....do your veiws differ from mine very much?

10-14-2004, 04:02 PM	#114
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Okay, Nurvy. What are you feelings towards Levitius? Pardon me if this a really stupid question... I'm not quite sure what Anglicans accept and reject __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

10-14-2004, 04:02 PM	#115
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Nurvi - Thanks so much for the tea, the scones, and sharing your thoughts! I have to go pack, so I'll think about some questions and ask them Monday or Tuesday, and look forward to seeing where the thread has gone while I've been gone __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-16-2004, 08:21 PM	#117
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