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I think Finrod was alone in his griefs and troubled with the weight of duty and honor. It would have been nice to have shared this with someone he loved. Oh, yes, if SGH reads this... it was the first thing I read in the book. Did you have any doubts? |
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Well, yes, it would have been a very grievous thing to face.
Fact is that Finarfin did not forsake the journey then, but after the Doom of Mandos was spoken.
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So, back to the original start of this thread.
It says in Morgoth's Ring, Laws and Customs of the Eldar, that Elves do not grow up the way the Children of Men do. It takes Elves 50 years to reach the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown. Therefore, maturity varied between 50 and 100 yrs. Most Elves married just after their 50th year. It also says that they chose their mates early in youth, and sometimes as children. So, this could be anywhere within 100 years, but usually within the first 50 years. But this was the norm and not all Elves followed this course. There were situations, as has already been posted (ie, war) in which the Elves pushed off marriage and children. So, if Finrod and Amarie were (dare I say it) in love, then they couldn't have been in love for very long. The whole thing with Feanor took place suddenly. If they had followed the course of events for betrothed Elves they would have been married after 2 years (1 yr for betrothal, then another yr to set the wedding). I can not recall, how old was Finrod when he left Aman? |
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However the fact remains that IF Amarië had decided to join him, Finrod wouldn't be a sad and brooding elf you two so obviously seem to fancy.
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Sorry I tend to repeat what's been said when I have little to add from myself.
I just noted that I used a bit of ambigious wording. When I said brooding I intended NO reference to chickens.
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Not "sad and brooding", rather: deep, thoughtful, focused, strong, brave, fierce, loyal, kind, passionate... *sigh* ... I can't say more, there are children reading these posts. (I wouldn't want to corrupt them in some way.) Artanis: Love is more important than anything, even duty to kin and to parents. For example, Thingol denied Luthien's marriage to Beren. Yet, Luthien defied her father's ban and helped Beren in his quest for the Silmaril Thingol demanded as a bride-price. Quite honestly, I do not think that Elves and Men should marry unless one or the other is able to choose a life as the other (example, the Elf chooses to be Mortal or the Mortal chooses to be Elf). This is because of the Customs of the Eldar being unable to choose another mate during the life of Arda. It seems to me that if Aegnor married Andreth she would be more like a dearly loved pet that dies within a short span of the master's life (I'm sure to get some flack on that one). SGH: "in their youth" could mean what between 50 and 100 yrs or maybe older? I get the impression that when Elves choose their mates, that they are of about the same age... although it doesn't really say that does it. hmmmmm. I must think on this some more. But... I still do NOT like Amarie, a lot. |
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Well he does strikes me as sad and brooding. Though maybe the other words you used fit him in some way. Although 'fierce'? You know I wonder what you were going to say further that was unsuitable for children. After all... *puts on mithril mail and put heavy shield before her* ...we are talking about a fictional character. What could you know about a fictional character that would be unsuitable for kids? (Unless Tolkien published some 'adult' version of the Silmarillion of which I know nothing of.
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Actually the Sil is an adult book, but what you two are discussing is there, you just have to read between the lines. Hey, that's what fanfic and Role play are made of, right?
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There are role plays in the Role Play Forum here at the 'moot. You can come and take a look if you like. Although there are many other ways to rola play. One of our role players even has as username of Finrod Felagund.
Fanfics are stories fans write using characters and worlds already created by an author. I believe the Tolkien Trail has some fan fictions too (though I'm not just sure where). note to one's self: Why don't you finish whatever you're doing and start on Morgoth's ring?
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yes, you absolutely must finish whatever you are doing and read Morgoth's Ring. |
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