Túrin and Nienor - Page 6

cassiopeia · 01-29-2003, 09:12 PM

But what would happen if Nienor had the baby? I think she realised she had no choice but to kill herself (however awful that is).
I like the story, I think it's sad and beautiful (like the rest of the stories in the Sil). I wish Turin would have gone back to Menegroth and talked to Thingol.

Wayfarer · 01-30-2003, 12:51 AM

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But what would happen if Nienor had the baby

That would make them 'Uncle Dad' and 'Auntie Mom'

Eeewww. That's my final word.

Arien the Maia · 01-30-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Sween
this is an easily misunderstood realtionship i believe what tokien was trying to convay was that love springs eternal. I mean i have a sister and god bless i do love her and turin would of loved his sister but if you wiped memory of each other that love would easily mistaken if you know what i mean?

i think they both over reacted with killing themselevs mind

Well if I were carrying my brother's child I think I would try to kill myself too
....but as for Turin...hmmm I'm not sure what I awould have done if I were him

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Sween
this is an easily misunderstood realtionship i believe what tokien was trying to convay was that love springs eternal. I mean i have a sister and god bless i do love her and turin would of loved his sister but if you wiped memory of each other that love would easily mistaken if you know what i mean?

Turin had never seen or met Nienor before, so there was no memory of them being brother and sister, only inthat they knew of each others existance through Morwen. Morwen was pregnant with Nienor when she sent Turin to Doriath at the age of 8.

Lalaith · 01-30-2003, 12:06 PM

As we all love (the more or less) or sister/brother, I believe it is possible to fall in love with your brother/sister. I mean, you have many things in common, believe in the same things ... then you could easily fall in love with him/her. but if you already know that this is a relative of you, your brain stops you from falling in love.

BeardofPants · 01-30-2003, 02:35 PM

Actually no. There is a thing called a kinship taboo, which is a psychological sex taboo. Basically, if you are raised in close confines with someone of your own age-group, between the ages of newly born, to around 7 years of age, then the taboo kicks in. Biology's way of ensuring that humans don't in-breed too much. Of course, that didn't stop me from believing that I had to marry my brother when I was younger. Ew!

Edit: Whoopsie, just noticed the rest of your post.

Finmandos12 · 01-30-2003, 07:41 PM

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Of course, that didn't stop me from believing that I had to marry my brother when I was younger.

Only if you were the sister of the pharaoh in ancient Egypt......

BeardofPants · 01-31-2003, 01:37 AM

LOL!

Wayfarer · 01-31-2003, 01:52 AM

I seem to recall the pharoh would sometimes marry his daughter or granddaughter as well.
Imagine how inbred they must have been.

BeardofPants · 01-31-2003, 02:06 AM

The Thutmosids were especially driven to in-breeding. Check out their early family trees sometime.

Lalaith · 01-31-2003, 04:20 AM

Yuk.
Then your children get serious illnesses from having children with your brother/sister.
Yuk.
Fortunately Nienor killed herself. Her child would be very weak and ill.
Yuk.
What do you think that she would have a boy or a girl?

Alquagarwaen · 03-15-2003, 03:53 PM

It`s a hard question, but I`m agree, becouse what they felt was love at anyways.

Respectfully...
Alquagarwaen

Lalaith · 03-16-2003, 07:31 AM

Real Love. Maybe, but against the rules of nature.

FrodoFriend · 03-19-2003, 07:57 AM

I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were siblings. They "ewww" reflex is imbedded in our brains, so that if they had recognized each other no doubt they would have shuddered at the very thought of marriage, etc. But since they were strange to one another it doesn't really make that much of a difference. I doubt their child would have been deformed or had other serious biological problems from one incident of incest.

Túrin would have been better with Finduilas though.

I'm actually writing a fanfic about Túrin and Nienor's love ... and then I'm going to write one about their kid ... LOL ....

I feel sorry for the baby, at any rate. She didn't have to kill it too! Why didn't she wait until it was born and then kill herself? Damn selfishness, if you ask me. Poor thing.

Lalaith · 03-19-2003, 09:20 AM

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I feel sorry for the baby, at any rate. She didn't have to kill it too! Why didn't she wait until it was born and then kill herself? Damn selfishness, if you ask me. Poor thing.

Poor baby, I'd say, without parents.

***azalea*** · 03-19-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
I seem to recall the pharoh would sometimes marry his daughter or granddaughter as well.
Imagine how inbred they must have been.

I heard that's why they fell, because they basically inbred so much that down the line they became mentally impaired, or died in infancy due to severe defects.

Lalaith · 03-20-2003, 12:43 PM

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I heard that's why they fell, because they basically inbred so much that down the line they became mentally impaired, or died in infancy due to severe defects.

Actually that family-marriage thing happend to many royal/monarchy families. They just wanted to keep power and all the land and the money in the family.

snowmane · 03-21-2003, 04:58 PM

whenever i read the turin thing it makes me all sad, and yet sick at the same time

nienor niniel was havig here brothers child!bleugh.......damn glaurung the dragon!!

also i dont imagine tuor or turin with a beard-very unalike for cousins dont u fink?

***azalea*** · 03-22-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
Actually that family-marriage thing happend to many royal/monarchy families. They just wanted to keep power and all the land and the money in the family.

You're right, I might be thinking of another royal line. I forget.

Lalaith · 03-22-2003, 02:44 PM

Unbelieveable. Marrying your cousin just to keep the money. I wouldn't want to marry my cousins.
But if I knew them not ....?
I wonder if Turin and Nienor didn't look the same.

01-29-2003, 09:12 PM	#101
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	But what would happen if Nienor had the baby? I think she realised she had no choice but to kill herself (however awful that is). I like the story, I think it's sad and beautiful (like the rest of the stories in the Sil). I wish Turin would have gone back to Menegroth and talked to Thingol. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

01-30-2003, 12:06 PM	#105
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	As we all love (the more or less) or sister/brother, I believe it is possible to fall in love with your brother/sister. I mean, you have many things in common, believe in the same things ... then you could easily fall in love with him/her. but if you already know that this is a relative of you, your brain stops you from falling in love. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-30-2003, 02:35 PM	#106
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Actually no. There is a thing called a kinship taboo, which is a psychological sex taboo. Basically, if you are raised in close confines with someone of your own age-group, between the ages of newly born, to around 7 years of age, then the taboo kicks in. Biology's way of ensuring that humans don't in-breed too much. Of course, that didn't stop me from believing that I had to marry my brother when I was younger. Ew! Edit: Whoopsie, just noticed the rest of your post. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 01-30-2003 at 02:39 PM.

01-31-2003, 01:37 AM	#108
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	LOL! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-31-2003, 01:52 AM	#109
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I seem to recall the pharoh would sometimes marry his daughter or granddaughter as well. Imagine how inbred they must have been. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-31-2003, 02:06 AM	#110
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	The Thutmosids were especially driven to in-breeding. Check out their early family trees sometime. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-31-2003, 04:20 AM	#111
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Yuk. Then your children get serious illnesses from having children with your brother/sister. Yuk. Fortunately Nienor killed herself. Her child would be very weak and ill. Yuk. What do you think that she would have a boy or a girl? __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-15-2003, 03:53 PM	#112
Alquagarwaen Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	It`s a hard question, but I`m agree, becouse what they felt was love at anyways. Respectfully... Alquagarwaen

03-16-2003, 07:31 AM	#113
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Real Love. Maybe, but against the rules of nature. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-19-2003, 07:57 AM	#114
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were siblings. They "ewww" reflex is imbedded in our brains, so that if they had recognized each other no doubt they would have shuddered at the very thought of marriage, etc. But since they were strange to one another it doesn't really make that much of a difference. I doubt their child would have been deformed or had other serious biological problems from one incident of incest. Túrin would have been better with Finduilas though. I'm actually writing a fanfic about Túrin and Nienor's love ... and then I'm going to write one about their kid ... LOL .... I feel sorry for the baby, at any rate. She didn't have to kill it too! Why didn't she wait until it was born and then kill herself? Damn selfishness, if you ask me. Poor thing. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-21-2003, 04:58 PM	#118
snowmane Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 23	whenever i read the turin thing it makes me all sad, and yet sick at the same time nienor niniel was havig here brothers child!bleugh.......damn glaurung the dragon!! also i dont imagine tuor or turin with a beard-very unalike for cousins dont u fink? __________________ faithful servant yet master's bane, lighfoot's foal, swift snowmane..

03-22-2003, 02:44 PM	#120
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Unbelieveable. Marrying your cousin just to keep the money. I wouldn't want to marry my cousins. But if I knew them not ....? I wonder if Turin and Nienor didn't look the same. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

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