The word Entmoot. - Page 5

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-24-2002, 12:09 PM

It's not that wierd--for the names like Cirdan and Celeborn, well, Tolkien didn't use the letter 'k' except in Dwarvish and the Black Speech. In Latin, 'k' doesn't exist. It makes sense. . .

Beleg Strongbow · 04-24-2002, 12:10 PM

I suppose it makes sense but those of us who speak english as a first language are more used to starting words with a K sound.

Helix · 04-24-2002, 12:12 PM

I guess.

Arathorn · 04-24-2002, 03:34 PM

I learned my english from school an Sesame Street. I can still remember when I was a kid asking why do 'C' had to sound like 's' sometimes.

In my native language, there are no 'C's by the way, only 'K's.

Elf Girl · 04-24-2002, 03:37 PM

Must be even harder for you then... *sigh* All in the name of Tolkien...*goes back to studying pronunciation*

Arathorn · 04-24-2002, 03:49 PM

Yeah, it took a while in college to "unlearn" some things but it's a good thing that you have to first identify that it's a Tolkien or Celtic word/name before using the 'C' as in Celeborn, Cirdan, Celebrimbor, etc.

***Earniel*** · 04-24-2002, 05:05 PM

My language has both 'C's and 'K's. And the 'K' will always sound as 'K' but the 'C' can sound like 'K' but also like 'S'. It depends on the word.

However I always pronounced the 'C' in Tolkien's work as an 'S' untill one blessed morn (well actually it was a night) I came upon the pronounciation list in my copy of the Silmarillion.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-25-2002, 03:25 AM

I have read the pronunciation guide in the appendices quite a few times, which causes me to go around correcting people when they mispronounce things, and wince anytime I hear people say 'sele-born.' Which is stupid, because before I read the enlightening pronunciation guide, I did say it that way. That's the problem with knowledge. . .

Arathorn · 04-25-2002, 05:18 AM

Just don't go around asking people who their favorite kelebrity is or what kity they belong to or if they have a kellphone, etc.

Beleg Strongbow · 04-25-2002, 11:52 AM

Please, let's try to keep this a pun free environment.
Puns kan be toxik to Entmooters.

Arathorn · 04-25-2002, 12:12 PM

My apolojis. Dhey kan be pun prom thyme to thyme, dhow.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-26-2002, 01:59 PM

Oh, don't make the puns stop

My room has a really low keiling!

Radagast The Brown · 05-06-2002, 02:01 PM

Quote:

My language has both 'C's and 'K's. And the 'K' will always sound as 'K' but the 'C' can sound like 'K' but also like 'S'. It depends on the word.

However I always pronounced the 'C' in Tolkien's work as an 'S' untill one blessed morn (well actually it was a night) I came upon the pronounciation list in my copy of the Silmarillion.

I'm from Israel and I don't know what is the different between C and K.

***Earniel*** · 05-06-2002, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I'm from Israel and I don't know what is the different between C and K.

It depends on your language. Some languages use no K, some use both etc.... My language uses both but gives them often - depending on the nature of the word - a different sound.

***azalea*** · 05-06-2002, 05:22 PM

That is how it is in English. "Celery" is said with the "soft" c sound (in other words, it sounds like an s as in soft); "car" is pronounced with a "hard" c sound, in which case it sounds like a k (as in kitchen).
And then there's "ch" that can have a "k" sound, as in character; or it can be a digraph, as in cheese.

Faramir · 05-11-2002, 10:43 PM

I don't think Entmoot is hard to say.

Rána Eressëa · 08-18-2002, 04:43 PM

Entmoot . . . that is a vocal challenge to say.

katya · 09-21-2002, 08:15 PM

i also find entmoot hard to say. i usually say sort of an en (stop air) moo (stop air). if that makes any sense. not like enmoo though. someone mentioned mordor in the movie earlier. thats really weird. they say like, moherdorh. something i got wrong for a while was sauron i said it like sore-on but its really supposed to be sour-on. oh well. i think i say isildur wrong too. i say it like ISelder. whatever.

johnnyrod · 09-21-2002, 08:29 PM

I'm with Faramir, I don't have any trouble with "entmoot." As for the others Katya brought up, ther might be a hint of Spanish in there. Spanish pronounciation means every single letter (generally) as Katya described, rather than the English/French letter groupings. The other reason this popped into me head is that when the two groups of Orcs meet just after Frodo is bitten by Shelob, they greet each other with "Hola!" whih is also Spanish. This could all be a coincidence of course.

Menelvagor · 09-22-2002, 01:48 PM

The orcs greet eachother with 'hola'? *looks it up* Huh, whaddaya know, they do.

It doesn't seem like they'd be pronouncing it like in Spanish, though, I think they would voice the 'h'. That's interesting though, good call.

04-24-2002, 12:09 PM	#81
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	It's not that wierd--for the names like Cirdan and Celeborn, well, Tolkien didn't use the letter 'k' except in Dwarvish and the Black Speech. In Latin, 'k' doesn't exist. It makes sense. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-24-2002, 12:10 PM	#82
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	I suppose it makes sense but those of us who speak english as a first language are more used to starting words with a K sound. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

04-24-2002, 12:12 PM	#83
Helix Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: School! Posts: 107	I guess. __________________ Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo. -Elvish Greeting

04-24-2002, 03:34 PM	#84
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I learned my english from school an Sesame Street. I can still remember when I was a kid asking why do 'C' had to sound like 's' sometimes. In my native language, there are no 'C's by the way, only 'K's. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-24-2002, 03:37 PM	#85
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Must be even harder for you then... sigh All in the name of Tolkien...goes back to studying pronunciation __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-24-2002, 03:49 PM	#86
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Yeah, it took a while in college to "unlearn" some things but it's a good thing that you have to first identify that it's a Tolkien or Celtic word/name before using the 'C' as in Celeborn, Cirdan, Celebrimbor, etc. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-24-2002, 05:05 PM	#87
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	My language has both 'C's and 'K's. And the 'K' will always sound as 'K' but the 'C' can sound like 'K' but also like 'S'. It depends on the word. However I always pronounced the 'C' in Tolkien's work as an 'S' untill one blessed morn (well actually it was a night) I came upon the pronounciation list in my copy of the Silmarillion. __________________ We are not things.

04-25-2002, 03:25 AM	#88
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I have read the pronunciation guide in the appendices quite a few times, which causes me to go around correcting people when they mispronounce things, and wince anytime I hear people say 'sele-born.' Which is stupid, because before I read the enlightening pronunciation guide, I did say it that way. That's the problem with knowledge. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-25-2002, 05:18 AM	#89
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Just don't go around asking people who their favorite kelebrity is or what kity they belong to or if they have a kellphone, etc. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-25-2002, 11:52 AM	#90
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	Please, let's try to keep this a pun free environment. Puns kan be toxik to Entmooters. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

04-25-2002, 12:12 PM	#91
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	My apolojis. Dhey kan be pun prom thyme to thyme, dhow. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-26-2002, 01:59 PM	#92
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Oh, don't make the puns stop My room has a really low keiling! __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-06-2002, 05:22 PM	#95
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	That is how it is in English. "Celery" is said with the "soft" c sound (in other words, it sounds like an s as in soft); "car" is pronounced with a "hard" c sound, in which case it sounds like a k (as in kitchen). And then there's "ch" that can have a "k" sound, as in character; or it can be a digraph, as in cheese. Last edited by azalea : 05-06-2002 at 05:30 PM.

05-11-2002, 10:43 PM	#96
Faramir Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ithilien Posts: 353	I don't think Entmoot is hard to say. __________________ This is the Window of the Sunset, Henneth Annun, fairest of all the falls of Ithilien, land of many fountains."-Faramir, Chapter IV, The Two Towers ========================== FRODO LIVES!!! ========================== YODA IS DA MAN!!! ========================== I Love Jesus!

08-18-2002, 04:43 PM	#97
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Entmoot . . . that is a vocal challenge to say.

09-21-2002, 08:15 PM	#98
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	i also find entmoot hard to say. i usually say sort of an en (stop air) moo (stop air). if that makes any sense. not like enmoo though. someone mentioned mordor in the movie earlier. thats really weird. they say like, moherdorh. something i got wrong for a while was sauron i said it like sore-on but its really supposed to be sour-on. oh well. i think i say isildur wrong too. i say it like ISelder. whatever.

09-21-2002, 08:29 PM	#99
johnnyrod Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scunthorpe, UK Posts: 166	I'm with Faramir, I don't have any trouble with "entmoot." As for the others Katya brought up, ther might be a hint of Spanish in there. Spanish pronounciation means every single letter (generally) as Katya described, rather than the English/French letter groupings. The other reason this popped into me head is that when the two groups of Orcs meet just after Frodo is bitten by Shelob, they greet each other with "Hola!" whih is also Spanish. This could all be a coincidence of course. __________________ Frodo Lives!

09-22-2002, 01:48 PM	#100
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	The orcs greet eachother with 'hola'? looks it up Huh, whaddaya know, they do. It doesn't seem like they'd be pronouncing it like in Spanish, though, I think they would voice the 'h'. That's interesting though, good call.

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