Kingom of Heaven

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Only ........comments as the one you just made.

That's a bit harsh and insulting.

[Lief Erikson]

Look Spock, I was waxing eloquent in defense of a beloved movie. Do you think that I would actually mean it, when saying someone is "worthless in soul" because they disagree with me over a movie? How could I possibly know that you were "weak in body?" I was being absurd. I also consider you to be a good friend. Have I ever insulted you before? No, and I have still never sent you a real insult.

I decided to respond 1,000,000fold to your post, so that it was obvious I was not serious (I definitely apologize for coming across unclearly about this), while at the same time effectively defending what needed defending.

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Only those weak in body, small in mind, limp in heart, corrupt in character, worthless in soul and pointless in existence make such treasonous, gutless and diseased comments as the one you just made.

If someone prattled this off to me, I would not - repeat, NOT - take it lightly and "laugh," or whatever. How rude is this!! Lief, once again you shove your feet in your mouth. If you want to quote witticisms and creative insults from movies, maybe you should be more sensitive to how A. - it's going to be taken, B. it's going to feel to someone to read this about themself no matter HOW much of a joke YOU think it is, and C. how or whether or not the recipient of such an insult might even recognise it from some movie or book.

It is NOT O.K. to insult people, Lief, and I know you say you don't mean it or you're being "misunderstood" and so forth, every time that foot gets lodged in your mouth, but don't you think perhaps it might be time to look at yourself a little more carefully & learn how to be more gentlemanly to people? I knew right away that your quote was from the movie, but I STILL thought it was crass and snobbish to direct it at another mooter, period. Not cool.

[Rían]

(remember those winkie smilies, and I didn't know it was a quote from the movie, either! Careful with typed communication!!!!!!!)

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

How rude is this!! Lief, once again you shove your feet in your mouth. If you want to quote witticisms and creative insults from movies, maybe you should be more sensitive to how A. - it's going to be taken,

I was careful to avoid words that sounded to me at all as though they might be intended as real insults, for this reason.

Originally Posted by Lotesse

B. it's going to feel to someone to read this about themself no matter HOW much of a joke YOU think it is,

I think that I would be amused if someone constructed a clever and highly unrealistic (no bad language or obvious real meaning) attack on me.

Originally Posted by Lotesse

and C. how or whether or not the recipient of such an insult might even recognise it from some movie or book.

No worries there, for it came from my head rather than from a movie or book.

Originally Posted by Lotesse

It is NOT O.K. to insult people, Lief, and I know you say you don't mean it or you're being "misunderstood" and so forth, every time that foot gets lodged in your mouth, but don't you think perhaps it might be time to look at yourself a little more carefully & learn how to be more gentlemanly to people?

I'm working at it.


Granted, I made mistakes in posting what I did, and I do apologize to you, Spock.

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

No worries there, for it came from my head rather than from a movie or book.

I'm working at it.

No you're not, not if you come up with things like that to say from out of your own head to a totally innocent mooter just because he happens to disagree with you - about his taste in a MOVIE, for crying out loud. "Working at it" means thinking about it before doing it, and then not doing it. Come on, Lief - when does "working at it" actually become "doing it?"

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

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Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

No worries there, for it came from my head rather than from a movie or book.

I'm working at it.

No you're not, not if you come up with things like that to say from out of your own head to a totally innocent mooter just because he happens to disagree with you - about his taste in a MOVIE, for crying out loud. "Working at it" means thinking about it before doing it, and then not doing it. Come on, Lief - when does "working at it" actually become "doing it?"

Speaking tongue-and-cheek insults is not wrong or bad. My family members and I do it all the time to one another at my house, and have a blast doing so. I did no wrong here except in failing to make obvious enough how non-serious I was. In that, I did make a mistake.

You are incorrect in accusing me of making no effort to be a gentleman, and I think it is unkind of you to make that presumption. I completely agree with you that being a gentleman requires action rather than mere thought. I do work at it. I try to do what is right and at times analyze my behavior and listen to the Holy Spirit to find my faults, accept forgiveness and then change as he gives me the strength to do so. I think that every person should do that. I certainly make plenty of mistakes, and perhaps I don't try hard enough, but I do try.


I apologize now to the normal posters on this thread for being such a source of contention, and for driving this thread off course by my carelessness.

I'm finished apologizing. Anything more related to this that anyone has to say, please let it be over PM, rather than driving the thread off-topic.